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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 20:49:41
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hey I know there are numerous advice about monitors.
My big wish is adams7 but dont know if i can or want afford it now.I have enuff of mixing only with cheap headphones though.
I think I will spend only 500 euro for a pair in the next weeks I tend to get the oldskool yamaha hs80.I know there are lots of other in this price range.
Is this a good choice or are samsons or alesis or anything else more worth for this cash?
Any recommendations are appricated otherwise I buy the yamahas for now.
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psylevation
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Posted : Aug 14, 2009 01:32
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I know Ascension has the HS80's and I think I remember Fraggletrollet mentioning something about some that he had at one time (could be wrong).
From what I've heard of them they seem to hold up in that price range as far as bang for buck goes. They can definitely get you by for a while.
If you have some monitors now, think about getting a really nice pair of headphones and then save up for what you really want, The ADAM*A7's. I went through a few different pairs of cheaper monitors and I finally got my ADAMS and I wish I would have saved up and gotten them in the first place.
Also recently I've realized how important it is for me to produce in headphones more often. Everything has started to sound a lot better since I've been going between headphones and speakers maybe 60/40. In headphones I seem to have better grasp of whats going on in the low end as far as shape of the kick and bass and I do a lot more fine editing and tuning because of the detailed sound I can get from monitors strapped to my head.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 14, 2009 03:54
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Thank you a lot for the information Psylevation.
Interesting to read you use headphones and speakers like 60/40.. cool..sounds logical although I dunno I only use 2 pair of different cheap headphones and I wish I had at least more to compare.
No monitors at all for long now.
I think I buy hs80 some better headphones maybe some affordable sennheiser and invest a bit in accoustic treatment for a room.And I hope to get the a7 @ another time.I still have some time to consider.
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supergroover
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Posted : Aug 14, 2009 11:07
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also don't forget to think about your room acoustics. It doesnt make alot of sense to buy 1000 $ monitors and do nothing at all about acoustic treatment.
Read the other topics about treatment or just browse www.realtraps.com for lot more info and video's. |
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Posted : Aug 14, 2009 16:17
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I have the HS80M's as airyck said and I like them a lot.
I don't have a treated room, but I've been able to make some good sounding music with them that sounds good on large rigs as well.
Mine hiss a bit, but after using them for about a month I stopped noticing it. I think they're great monitors to get to start.
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Tuetrax
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Posted : Aug 14, 2009 22:30
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HS80M, got em as well. Major + from here, they bring everything out. I like em alot.
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 14:26
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 21:28
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thanks for all replys.Good help for me.
@ Orange - is a5 enough to hear the bass spectrum?
my mind is sure adams is the choice i want.But i have small budget and would like to buy a few things more for production.Therefore there is only 500 for them.
Another thaught pushes to mind again and again if not to wait a bit longer.But it could be a demon hehe I thin I need some speakers soon so hs 80 or really a5... but than an older engeneer told me once that to hear the bass spectrum you need atleast a 7..
thanks in advance magic plants friends.
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Suloo
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 23:45
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yer, a5 are just better computer boxes compared to a7..save up for the next league , it will satisfy you way more in the end...some nice dynaudio or adam a7
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psylevation
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 01:09
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Adam A5
Frequency Response: 55-35000 Hz
55 is not low enough to get an accurate picture of the sub bass
Adam A7
Frequency Response: 46–35000 Hz
46 is much better but still not completely accurate for sub bass frequencies.
Yamaha HS80M
Frequency Response: 42Hz-20000Hz
42 is even better but you'll be lacking compared to the Adam A7 in mid and high clarity.
A5 should be okay if you had a sub to go with.
A7 is fantastic but I still suggest checking sub frequencies on either a good pair of headphones or a sub.
Yamaha's will actually give you the best low frequencies out of all of these but then again this will be dependent on your room and acoustic treatment to whether or not this is a good thing.
In the short time I got to listen to the HS80M's I immediately notice the lack of clarity and definition in the mids and highs, but I'm used to the A7's and they obviously excel in this area.
I still think your A7's are a good choice in the end but between the A5's and the HS80M's, use the information provided above to help with your decision. If you can trust your bass in the headphones, the A5's will give you more clarity. If you need something for bass the HS80M's would be a better choice for now.
Good luck 
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 03:55
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wow...that is impressive post of information for me good man.Thank you very much for this help.
Now I have to think about it all.
Thank you.
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orange
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Posted : Aug 22, 2009 00:53
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i prefer real 55hz of bass than fake 42hz of boominess and box/bass reflex made bottom end.
we have dynaudio bm5a and adam a5 in the studio and i can mix pretty deep basses on the adam ( although its better in the dynas with a small 5hz difference 50hz for the dyna )
adams are just better than the yamaha when you learn them you will get better resoltes!
and you have the option to add a good sub for them in the future to make an even more broad freq spectrum for mixing but you will have to change to new monitors when you will need to advance cos the yamahas want get better whatever you do!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 24, 2009 17:53
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^that comment also sounds good.
btw ..
what is the advantage of 35000hz when the only analysers I saw go only to 20 khz? Maybe the question should be stated in some other shape but I hope you get me.. - my question.
thanks
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Suloo
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 07:10
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i think its supposed to be able to hear aliasing sounds and to clearly avoid them..
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psylevation
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Posted : Aug 26, 2009 00:15
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On 2009-08-24 17:53, TimeTraveller wrote:
^that comment also sounds good.
btw ..
what is the advantage of 35000hz when the only analysers I saw go only to 20 khz? Maybe the question should be stated in some other shape but I hope you get me.. - my question.
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When a speaker has a range it can reproduce sound in say 50hz-20,000Hz. 20,000Hz is the maximum it can reproduce.
When speakers reach their limits the frequency spectrum begins to fall off and the speaker isn't able to reproduce that peak frequency accurately.
So a speaker that has a max 20,000Hz probably doesn't reproduce 20,000Hz very accurately. Where as one that can go to 35,000Hz has no troubles reproducing 20,000Hz because that freqency is well within it's range.
Hope that makes sense to you.
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