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Aeon
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 11:09
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On 2009-07-27 19:34, blom wrote:
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but then again i am not a big international artist 
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Exactly. No offense whatsoever Aeon but i never heard about your project so you might be keen to play on any party anytime with any circumstances even without money BUT when you are going to be after your 300th gig and playing on parties will be your job you'll most likely see these things otherwise
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hey! FUCK YOU BUDDY! how dare you not have heard of every single one of the 20,000,000 psy artists out there?
my trance ego is totally offended!
i think i'm like a lot of artists... i will play for free if the party is for a good cause.
otherwise - even though you've never heard of me - i need to have my expenses covered as a minimum.
i work very hard on my live sets... i do rehearsals and i always give 110%. i also take expensive equipment with me, sometimes to unsafe environments. i try to play as live as possible and i always try to be professional - never drunk or high, always on time, try to do a soundcheck, try to be as prepared as i can be. for all these reasons i think my time and the risk to my equipment is worth money, so i'm afraid i will not play 'any party anytime for free'. however i do take into account the type of party i am playing and can be flexible with fees.
music is not my main source of income... but i have bills to pay. any money i make from music goes STRAIGHT back into the studio so i can make more music.
here ends my personal statement.
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juice
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 15:35
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don take artist fr granted nd always pay em fr hiring their services......atleast meet out their expenses ...music is their assets nd they have all th rights to make money out of it.
Artist also need to think th other way of making money so they can keep their gig fee as low as possible kuz its a risky business nd y only th orgs suffer th most.
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Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 16:43
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On 2009-07-30 15:35, juice wrote:
don take artist fr granted nd always pay em fr hiring their services......atleast meet out their expenses ...music is their assets nd they have all th rights to make money out of it.
Artist also need to think th other way of making money so they can keep their gig fee as low as possible kuz its a risky business nd y only th orgs suffer th most.
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First we have to accept that almost nobody cares to pay for the music we make and now we also have to lower our fees? Get real!
I'll be happy to play for free if the cause is a good one and to lower my price if I feel for it (IF the organizer deserves it). BUT we have every right to get paid what we are worth without always having to hear someone telling us we should lower our prices, give away our music for free (I do that actually) etc. etc. The bottom-line is this. If you want to see your artists then pay the price asked as everybody else pay for a concert outside the scene. It's a free market. If you don't like the price. Stay away. This way you actually also tell the artists to shape up the act and stop doing playback which will give you more value for your money
Back to the topic.
It's really easy to end this debate.
1. If you are hired and got paid - play!
2. If you did not get paid - don't play!
PS! Organizers do not suffer the most. There's quite a few who became quite rich while at the same time using free artists on the line-up. Artist suffers the most these days because you the people want things for free or way too cheap. Some small Organizers don't make much money but they also get the artists cheap. Big Festivals should pay what the fees are and so should you people in the Entrance www.krisandersen.com |
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iTranscendence
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 04:34
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If they haven't been paid, its their choice. If they had been paid, or paid half they violated the contractual agreement with someone.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 17:22
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iTranscendence
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 21:44
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Well typically when you are being paid half up front, you are obligated to play your show.
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blom
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 22:00
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That doesn't really make sense, half is just half, not the whole. Maybe the Artist then should play only half of his set. LOL
And if it would really work like this then no promoters would ever pay whole fees only half  |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2009 23:04
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On 2009-07-31 21:44, iTranscendence wrote:
Well typically when you are being paid half up front, you are obligated to play your show.
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If we haven't seen the contract in question, we can't say it's been broken. We weren't there, we didn't sign the contracts, we have no idea of the actual legal agreement between the promoter and the artists. Some contracts will mention situations like this and some won't, there is no one single standard. You can't assume anything.
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iTranscendence
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Posted : Aug 1, 2009 00:02
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On 2009-07-31 22:00, blom wrote:
That doesn't really make sense, half is just half, not the whole. Maybe the Artist then should play only half of his set. LOL
And if it would really work like this then no promoters would ever pay whole fees only half
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Technically unless the contract said otherwise that would be acceptable imo, because they got paid half.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 2, 2009 04:26
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i am very suprised that you are talking about contracts at all. most of the contracts that i have seen in the trance scene have been so unprofessionally written, that they are actually useless in terms of legal consequences.
imo the flight ticket is the only "contract" that has a value generally in the trance scene.
and btw i find the discussions about the noble goals kind of boring:). everyone has noble goals, but nevertheless he has to interract correctly with the ppl he has involved in his "business". and every event with costs, marketing, and entrance is a business, whatever you call it.
most artists that i know would do their live even for one person only. but it is not about that. the times for the noble goals are gone for most ppl. i am not a supporter of the idea that the listener should pay everything he hears but i think that everyone should get paid for the lost time at an event. and no one should work on his expenses for travelling. it makes no sense. it might me an honour for most ppl to be allowed to play but not for those who have no substitution in what they do. it is not abou the money at all. it is about the way of communicating with the organizer.
hehehe and funny post aeon. ))) nice one:). straight and clear. btw i am even making a favour of someone if i dont go to his event , cause i know he has no income to pay my expenses for travelling so i better not go. i am so happy that i have other sources of income.
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Machi
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Posted : Aug 3, 2009 23:38
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faking superstar dj's....all I have to say...the only way I get pissed is when I don't get to play material I have worked hard to prepare for my performence because of some organizatonal bullshit...regardless the number of people if you play good shit you will only see the dancefloor getting bigger.
I have seen artists like Daksinamurti, Artifakt, Primordial Ooze, Random throwing down like crazy for several people in the basement where college kids used to live. Shit was crazy and now we all will have lifetime respect for those guys for their music and awesome personalities...
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 18:26
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On 2009-08-03 23:38, Machi wrote:
faking superstar dj's....all I have to say...the only way I get pissed is when I don't get to play material I have worked hard to prepare for my performence because of some organizatonal bullshit...regardless the number of people if you play good shit you will only see the dancefloor getting bigger.
I have seen artists like Daksinamurti, Artifakt, Primordial Ooze, Random throwing down like crazy for several people in the basement where college kids used to live. Shit was crazy and now we all will have lifetime respect for those guys for their music and awesome personalities...
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Those tags in the basement were epic.
I also saw Stereographic play for a party of about 25 people. Very cool guy. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Yidam
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 19:12
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hehehe... love how the Iowan college circuit got totally infected by MindOutpsyde.
Indiana college story... Played 30 minutes of psykovsky and kzz after spinning krunk at a hip-hop frat party way back when.
the scene... a couple of gangstars, a few girls bootybouncing at 150bpm and 1 cowboy loosing his brains on the floor and about 30 people with their backs up against the wall...aghast. very memorable to say the least.
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back to topic...
this one can be debated on and on till we figure out what happened with the artist being talked about. Given that there weren't enough people there is a high possibility that the artist was asked to play for less than the promised amount.... which would void the "contract" ... and put it on good faith. Most superstar DJs don't get where they are on faith.... unless that's the name of their manager.
Solution People!!!! ... book the acts that really deserve and need the exposure! and start with Aeon...he's one of the few that appeals to multiple mindsets.
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1jAdE3
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 06:10
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Imagine a party about 20 people and not more than 10 of them payed the entrance...
ok... decoration is poor so maybe the org got the money back for equipment....
If I payed for a party like that I won't blame the booked artist not to play because it's clear that he couldn't get payed. 
Not that difficult...
Sometimes there are more reasons to blame the org...
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bbgun
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 07:40
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On 2009-08-04 19:12, Yidam wrote:
Indiana college story... Played 30 minutes of psykovsky and kzz after spinning krunk at a hip-hop frat party way back when.
the scene... a couple of gangstars, a few girls bootybouncing at 150bpm and 1 cowboy loosing his brains on the floor and about 30 people with their backs up against the wall...aghast. very memorable to say the least.
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