Acts who refuse to play because of not enough people...
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 13:35
Haha sorry I'm not going to feed your desire for gossip and rumor
I do agree with what you just said, Yidam.
As an artist, no matter how big your name is, whether you have a manager or not, etc. When you allow yourself to be booked and your name to appear publicly on a flyer etc., that is essentially a contract obligating you to perform for the people who come out to support you. If for some reason you are unable to fulfill (promoter doesn't pay for your transportation costs etc.) it is your job to make your voice as loud as you can so that the people (fans) who put their time and energy into coming out to see you know the truth and where exactly the problem lies. if the promoter cannot fulfill other aspects such as booking fees, etc. then it is a problem that needs to be dealt with on that level and not the problem of the people out on the dancefloor who expect something of you. However, if you as an artist are brought to an event at no cost to yourself and you are sitting there with all your stuff ready to go and you refuse to perform because attendance is not what you think you deserve, there is almost no excuse for refusing to play and if you were paid beforehand / are still demanding payment after refusing to perform then that makes you an extra epic douchebag. Please your fans who came out to support and listen to you and settle those issues privately in the VIP room with the promoter where that shit belongs. Taking it out on your fans like that is no excuse and no matter how it boils down, it just makes you look bad.
It should also be noted that it is the responsibility of the promoter to be completely honest and transparent regarding all issues beforehand, both with the artists, fans, and anyone else directly involved, as was mentioned previously.
P.S. I certainly would love to drop names of acts that act this way but hopefully you rumor-hungry people can respect that I will not do so based upon second-hand information of some specific event. However the broader issue is very real, confirmed and happens all the time and definitely deserves discussion.
Yidam
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 13:35
exactly gutter... and that is the reason why they should be named... the cause and effect both point to the same... image.
yeah...this is about the large fish.
big names also mean big influence. wouldn't wanna mess with that if you're an upcoming producer right?
Yidam
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 13:43
and btw ...
this is a very common issue with other genres. did you hear about Nickelback ?
not only did he get a rock thrown at him, the internet is flooded with this topic now.
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 13:47
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big names also mean big influence. wouldn't wanna mess with that if you're an upcoming producer right?
It has more to do with my personal ethics as a person and what is expected of me as an artist by any fans than my (lack of) respect/caring/fear of what artists who have the sort of attitude of which I speak may think of me for calling them out personally.
pr0fane
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 14:11
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On 2009-07-13 13:43, Yidam wrote:
and btw ...
this is a very common issue with other genres. did you hear about Nickelback ?
not only did he get a rock thrown at him, the internet is flooded with this topic now.
Now that's a very valid reason to quit the show in my opinion!
I actually remember a party here in Denmark a few years ago, where Eskimo had a bottle thrown in the head because of some technical difficulties. I know he doesn’t have the best reputation in the scene, and I’m certainly not the biggest fan of his music, but I must say he earned some respect in my book, when he played his set like nothing happened.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 19:45
Aluxe
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 19:50
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bringing out names here would be like bad taste gossip, like the ones on afternoon tv shows do.
if you are a promoter, you would already know, if it's a real fact. if you don't, ask a fellow promoter.
This is kind of a silly assumption. I mean considering how many promoters there are around the world it’s impossible to think that everyone or even most of the promoters are in the loop of this secret info of the artists who behave in such an unfair way. And even if you share it here on Isratrance there will still be promoters who won’t find out about these stories. But if this info is really a FACT like you claim then you can help the situation by sharing the names of the artists so that other party organizers and party goers do not become victims to these artists and their BS. Otherwise by protecting their names you just set things up so this same exact thing happens AGAIN. People have to be called upon their BS otherwise they never feel the consequences of their actions and how they affect others in a negative way. And it serves as a warning to other artists so they don’t do the same shit. In the end it helps the scene so everyone knows that these superstar ego attitudes and practices will not be tolerated.
neuromantik
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 20:59
names godammit!!! Don't let me call the divine wrath of shiva on you I don't use ideas. Every time I have an idea it's too limiting, and usually turns out to be a disappointment. But I haven't run out of curiosity. -RR
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 21:42
I got 10 bucks on Psynina...
Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 21:52
There's no excuse not to play just because there's a small crowd. End of story!
I've played for 2 people and a pickpocket thief and 10.000. You are hired to do a job and you do it. That's what's called being professional! Some of the best parties has been with a small crowd. A small crowd really into the music and not just there to be seen.
And it's fine to mention names. Organizers see their names constantly being dragged through the mud on forums. So I see no reason why Artists should be treated any different if they misbehave. Of course it's always good to have some documentation before you drag people through the mud www.krisandersen.com
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 21:59
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On 2009-07-13 21:52, Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks wrote:
And it's fine to mention names. Organizers see their names constantly being dragged through the mud on forums. So I see no reason why Artists should be treated any different if they misbehave. Of course it's always good to have some documentation before you drag people through the mud
Good point.
You forgot to mention the Labels who didn't pay the artists or stole their music.
Maska
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 22:23
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On 2009-07-12 22:34:22, Axis Mundi wrote:
I heard a story about a party that happened near me recently where the two international headlining acts refused to perform and left the party because there weren't enough people at the event for their taste. (I'm told there were less than 100.)
What's the general opinion on that?
Isn't that what Psytrance is all about? Tight knit Community, with love and togetherness? Jerks....
assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
Maska
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 22:36
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On 2009-07-13 13:47, Axis Mundi wrote:
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big names also mean big influence. wouldn't wanna mess with that if you're an upcoming producer right?
It has more to do with my personal ethics as a person and what is expected of me as an artist by any fans than my (lack of) respect/caring/fear of what artists who have the sort of attitude of which I speak may think of me for calling them out personally.
If that was the case though, you wouldn't even talk about it...You obviously want it to come out, you just don't want to be the one to do it, or you like getting people up in a frenzy......
Like someone else said, as someone who has worked with promoters closely before, I can tell you that sometimes, the money is stretched thin. So booking an artist and having them not fulfill their obligation is terrible. And as part of this community, you somewhat have an obligation to let it be known when someone is not right or are a threat to someone who can't really afford to bring the artist, but does anyway, even if they lose...For the sake of the party and the community.
But, either way, chances are if they are like that, I don't like their music anyway.
assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 22:52
Maybe I feel the broader issue deserves be talked about, but as mentioned above, I'm not going to drag someone's name about a specific incident through the mud only based on second-hand information that I've received. Giving a name doesn't validate it or make it more "factual" than not giving a name.
Would you want someone to do that to you? Would you do that to someone else based on hearsay?
People should be worked up into a frenzy about the issue. It's their money, their time, their energy.
I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over. I suppose the bigger picture really isn't worth being discussed and if so then I apologize.
Aluxe
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Posted : Jul 14, 2009 01:21
Well it’s like shouting out: hey everyone there is a thief in town! this person is well known by everybody however I am not going to tell you who it is. Discuss!
Hehe.
Anyways.. I guess the theifs got away this time and we'll never know who they are. So much for the fun of gossip.
