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Surrender
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Posted : Dec 24, 2003 18:49
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when i finish a musical piece, and i need to mix it for the final finished product before mastering... i have a few problems.
there is a frequency overlap for sure and i need to know what is the best way to make sure that doesnt happen, so i can have the cleanest sound possible.
please dont tell me to use my ears, im sure there is a more professional way (software maybe?) to visualize the hz so i dont clutter and make the sound muddy.
  "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Anak
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Posted : Dec 24, 2003 22:49
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 25, 2003 02:43
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theres a spectrum in wavelab 
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Dec 25, 2003 11:43
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surrender ill tell u what exactly u need to do
apart frm the software spectrum analzer options tht our cool frnds here have advised ....
i think when ur done with composing ur musical parts and u decided when u wanna do the mixdown ..
u must first figure out , what exactly do u want each instrument to do in the mix [ i mean what role do u want it to play ] ???
then u need to as far as posssible isolate each instruments freq. range ......
thought it may not be as easy as ive said it , but u need to start working on it ...
u must be knowning that harmonics / partials / overtones extend all the way upto 20khz and above frm the fundamental freq. in diminishing amplitudes ....
but still u need to allocate one major area of the spectrum to one instrument while cut down on the rest ....
hope u get me and i was able to hlp
bye and take care ...
if ure still lost , post a message and ill try to explain better |
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jon
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Posted : Dec 27, 2003 16:15
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most people will just stick loads of synths into their tune and then try to 'seperate the frequencies' using eq...... but a better idea is to think about the main frequency range of the instrument (using ears and spectrum analyzer e.g. Inspector vst) during the the earlier stages : when you create the synth lines and especially when you are doing the arrangement.
.... of course you still need eq but should try not to use it a huge amount.... This way the synths etc will sound more as you intended them and the mix will sound less cluttered.
I picked up these ideas from the very helpful article
'Spread it out: Arranging the audible spectrum. '
http://www.traxmusic.org/reviews.shtml
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Surrender
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Posted : Dec 27, 2003 20:50
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jacky
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Posted : Dec 28, 2003 01:45
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one more thing you should concider putting gates on all your channels it didnt look with too much sence to me at first, but when you use it you get tons of free mixing space. guaranteed
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jon
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Posted : Dec 28, 2003 02:45
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> gates on all your channels
I dont think this is such a good idea....
having clean sounds does help to create a clean mix..... and gating can provide clean, sharp sounds..... but maybe you want some variety, some depth : some nice clean sounds but also some nice smooth pads, long reverb tails.....
gating, and gated reverbs, are really useful though I agree! |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Dec 28, 2003 02:55
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i agree with jon, shoving things in and then trying to use EQ to fix it is about the worst possible idea
THINK eq whilst you produce that way there are no problem when it comes to mixdown time!
i explain this method of thinking in my far more detail in my eq article... whch i must have linked from here a dozen times already... most recently in this thread
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/15037/forum/2/start/15
and sorry, but your ears are better than spectral analysers. dancers at a party dont look at spectral plots of your tracks, do they 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 04:37
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If you have a sound that is being lost in the mix but just making it louder doesn't work, it might be being masked by other sounds.
Try muting sounds one by one to see if removing them from the mix clears up the sound that is being lost.
If you find that muting a particular sound helps, then this sound is 'getting in the way', and looking at its spectrum while listening to it might identify frequencies in the sound that do not contribute to its musical effect; it is these frequencies that are probably masking other sounds and your mix might benefit from their removal. If this doesn't help then consider whether or not you need this sound in the first place.
In the same way, check the sound that is being masked and make sure it doesn't contain eg. loads of bass that it doesn't need. |
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