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Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 16:21:54
i was wondering, what's the main difference betwen using fx(delay, reverb) in the channel and in the bus sends, and if it has that difference, what would be best effects to put on a send (i know fx like distortion and eq is better on the channel is that right?) and what would be that best tricks that using the sends works best?

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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 16:41
reverb and delay!           http://soundcloud.com/the-andychrist
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bandarlog
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 18:02
in channels: every sound in the channel is completely 'wet' of the used fx in that channel. No dry signal to output anymore.

in sends: you can send 0-100% of a dry sound to the channel. If you put like a 4/4 delay in it, you can use it several times, which saves you cpu.

Best efx used in sends would be imo: delay, reverb & eq.

In FL, you can use them all as inserts/sends, much easier           http://www.soundcloud.com/bandarlog
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Padmapani


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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 20:15
most plugins have a "wet" slider so there's no problem with using them as insert with only, say, 20% wet.
but having plugins can be useful for example if you want the effect have a different eq than the dry signal (i.e. for delays). or to save processing power by sending all channels you want to have reverb on to one single (or multiple) dedicated reverb channels instead of having the reverb as insert on almost all of your tracks.

eq as send? never thought of that, what advantages does it have over using the eq as insert?
willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 20:18
I asked this question of Cosmosis on facebook a while ago, and he was kind enough to add pictures to the discussion and put it up on his website. It is very awesome information about this exact subject - his answer completely changed the way I mix and do FX work, enjoy!

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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 20:24
if you use Ableton, sends are the fucking bomb. some of my favorite stuff to do....

send your Bass to a channel which has an EQ HP'd @ 200-300 hz with an Auto Filter (or any sort of filter that has a bandpass option with an LFO on it) after it, and a delay after that. Depending on your tweaking it adds a lot of high end slidey-squelchy character to the bass, or just ends up with cool noises that fly around the low end

send *that* channel to something else completely with a phaser/shifter/redux

the best thing about sends is that they are transparent and don't fuck up your original sound - if you put an EQ / BP filter / Delay as an insert on your bass it would totally suck, but with the send you get the original signal untuoched with the send on top of it

sends are just great for fattening up sounds

Take a lead line you like, say it's a MIDI track called Lead - route it to another audio channel called Fat Lead and also use a send on the original lead channel and route that send to Fat Lead as well

put some panning, filters, delay..bit crush...flanger..w/e the hell effect you like that sounds good on the send, twiddle parameters on the FX as you're recording so that you get the original lead line in the middle and then the altered FX'd version from the send on top and flying all over the place

great fun! Sends fucking rock.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Mandari

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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 20:45
using sends is just the nondestruktive way of mixing fx to the input signal

inserts -> replace of the input signal

send -> mix according to the input signal

insert: signal -> plug -> out

send: signal -> out
+ signal -> send -> plug on return -> out

usually dynamics fx are set as insert and time manipulation fx like all the rest you know besides comp. limiter, expander and stuff are usually set as send (aux) fx which is mixed 100% wet to the original signal.
thats the way one does in studio, never mind, rules up to break

cheers, hope kinda helped.
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