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sy000321
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 16:31
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what about maj7 ... they've got 4 notes... what's the note in the middle Fregle?
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 20:42
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well, it's too long ago since i had music theory, so to give u a decent answer i'll have to look it up...
thanks to boobytrip in another thread i found this for u... He talks about dissonance in a way i could never explain it 
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sy000321
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 15:58
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Thanks for the tip...
Usually i don't play chords i use the notes from a chord or scale but never more than one at the same time with the same instrument...
am i loosing something?
thanks
joao
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 16:15
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when it comes down to pads, nothing beats chords... Other psytrance synth-stuff is mostly monophonic, so u aren't missing much... |
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sy000321
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 16:16
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yeah... in pads i use simple stuff... octaves, fifhts, thirds and so on...
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 17:27
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I like the way Sub6 use very short chord hits as rythmical instruments. It keeps the sound clean but still musicaly interesting.
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slyman604
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 17:31
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a really eye opening experience with melodic lines is to open up a midi file in a sequencer of a piece for a solo instrument written by one of the classical masters and look at the piano roll form of it.
The two biggest things i noticed write away was how many notes were being used that did not fit in the key per se and how wide alot of the intervals were between notes. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 17:39
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Nice idea, slyman. Do you have any suggestions on material to check?
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 19:20
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On 2005-04-22 15:58, sy000321 wrote:
Thanks for the tip...
Usually i don't play chords i use the notes from a chord or scale but never more than one at the same time with the same instrument...
am i loosing something?
thanks
joao
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Hi ,
Try to use 2notes from chord at same time (maybe you already use it) like root with 3d or or root with 5th and maybe on ,on your ...
its mostly used on rythmical stuff.
I noticed that Shanti and GMS like to use this .
Ex: Atomic pulse vs juvenile - extended vision, Shanti use it there in start of the track ,A+C and then A+C# which is alteratin to A major its like ,he in A minor and he play with A major and Aminor chords .
well,the Root+3d i mean for example A+C or A+C# and any other roots ,like Roots+3d have very strong influence on your rythmical part,
try to play it in antisepasions and some other ways like on beats ,but dont forget the chord that you in .
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 19:43
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On 2005-04-22 17:31, slyman604 wrote:
a really eye opening experience with melodic lines is to open up a midi file in a sequencer of a piece for a solo instrument written by one of the classical masters and look at the piano roll form of it.
The two biggest things i noticed write away was how many notes were being used that did not fit in the key per se and how wide alot of the intervals were between notes.
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Well , all what you can take from sheet of somke classics ,is only the rythm of melody .
Because their harmony is a bit other then in simple or not simple composition of psytrance or other material.
cause they have realy complex of chords wich is folowed by melody or vice- versa ,
Ok i got the point ,one tip thet in your root you have a most important notes is notes of third of the root for ex is A and notes are A,C,E,probably the all acsents or almost ,supose to be on that notes ,like first beat is the most important accent and you put one of this notes and the 3d beat is the second important accent so ...you can put to,
BuT,But,there are names like suspended ,pass,helpfull and note that comes in the takt from next chord,like:
suspendet-is note that not belong to one of tree and she is standing on hard time.
pass-is when you go from one of those tree to the next one and use note that not belong to tree of,like A then H and then C so H is pass.
helpfull-is when you go from the note you played wich is one of those three to the next ,not belong to the three and you back to the same note that you started,like A then C then A.
next chord note-is when you play at the end of the meassure ,some neww chord note wich is not belong to the chord that curently playing.
all this stuff about three important notes ,you can use on the other chord too ,for ex:when you chord is Am so its A,C,E and when you switch the chord ,to C,so it will be C,E,G are important and on...
Remember accents its the important think ,and velocity and all jumps wich is made in melody its to clear new chord ,like after hes A chord ,the melody jumps to the next important note of the next chord or it could be a suspended on the next chord ,here come to live your imagination.
To find good melody its a big job guys ,not only you asking this question ,but all those ,who seeking to find his or here tracks at the top of all kinds of charts;)
Good luck if you find it some... |
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Ronaron303
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Posted : May 9, 2005 21:26
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fregle
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Posted : May 11, 2005 19:43
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JSbach is a great teacher for melody... This man really went all out and stretched the rules to their limits. He also uses intricate arpeggio's and jumps/combinations u would never think of if ur not a specialist in harmony... Really very good material to learn the intricate things of melody. To learn arpeggio's i can warmly suggest czerny, he has songs that are just strings of arpeggios, very good learning material for making monophonic 16th-style (acid-style) melodies. And the u have the dodecaphony... If u really want to create weird out of this world melodies, just try (it's complex matter because it's a ruleset we're not used to listen to, if it weren't for music school, i would never have heard this type of music) to learn this and use this and u'll sound very original... |
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Hodi
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Posted : May 12, 2005 01:23
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u shouldn't start with bach, his music is very complex (very polyphonic) and difficult to listen to comparing to mendelssohn,chopin,beethoven..
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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gattomatto
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 05:05
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On 2005-04-16 19:09, fuzzikitten wrote:
This is part of why I like putting melodies in 3/4 time on top of my 4/4 kick - every 12 measures they sync up and create the illusion of a 'larger' groove on top.
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Hey fuzzikitten... Do you have any example of this you are willing to post somewhere? I would like to hear it to see what you mean. About the melody in 3/4 time. The thought had never occurred to me. Thanks!
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XrTC
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Posted : Jun 7, 2005 15:54
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On 2005-04-18 21:37, sy000321 wrote:
just a little help...
Ever listened to the bass on Nomad - The Magic Sofa Show (Moonkeys, i think)?
Anyone know's wich notes it's playing?? (sounds familiar... could it be based on another one bites the dust or so? lolo... my ears are too bad... sorry)
thanks
best bassline i've heard in years an it's not 16ths
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that's my favourite track from nomad! and yep it's in Moonkeys compilation. btw, have you noticed that it's the same pattern being played throughout the whole track, but it never gets boring? i agree it's a kick-ass bassline with groove and everything..
to be honest it never reminded me of 'another one bites the dust' but after u mentioned i listened to it carefully and the notes match. i doubt he tried to copy it though. but i agree that if you sing the queens' song bassline along with nomad's they fit hehe
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