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Milosh
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 13:17
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On 2006-01-08 04:36, presto music wrote:
i think that it's a balance. I often start with a preset and tweak it. Sometimes a little, sometimes it will be unrecognisable by the time I've finshed with it. However, if all you're doing is picking out presets one after the other without any of your own input, this could be seen as being a bit lazy...
But no it's not cheating, only highbrow elitists would frown upon using presets. And frankly I couldn't care less, I'd prefer to make music that I like, rather than worry about what the chin strokers think. Also at the end of the day it's the average punter that counts, and they don't give a shit if its a preset- huh, what's a preset? In fact I'd go as far as to say that they actually like it because they become familar with sounds and they can relate to them, just like the 303 after 20+ years.
Compare this to other styles of music. Eg. in rock a Les Paul guitar and Fender amp. Now you get a certain sound from this combo yeah? And it sounds great, yeah? People don't buy a Fender amp and then open the back up and start fucking around with the circuits to create their 'own sound'. In fact it's this 'standard' sound that they strive for, save up all their cash so that they can buy the Les Paul guitar and Fender amp. Once they've got the tools, then they write and perform a wicked new song- and that is the point...
Our synths are our instruments so we are lucky to be blessed with so many options in the first place. If the track rocks, then it rocks. The people who design the presets do a brilliant job, and when you pay for the synth you get these patches to use, you use them! It's kind of like respct to the designers anyway, nothing wrong with that...
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Totaly agree with this. First off all the main poent is to make your patches/presets, and to make sound that you like, but why not to use presets that come with synth if they gonna do the job.
  Never let computers to win a game! :)
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mescarajah
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 13:26
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But ... i was talking not about preset factory sound acctually. I also many time tweek or just look how where they synthezized in a new vsti etc. The main question was about using even the same ARP (melody sequence) that are included in some VSTis - like z3ta+. - Not only the same sound, also the SAME MELODIES from the factory sounds!. What do you think about that?  |
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kirna
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 14:37
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its funny how same people here defend factory patches and SEQUENCES and totally attack chord stab samples  DDD |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 16:09
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On 2006-01-08 14:37, kirna wrote:
its funny how same people here defend factory patches and SEQUENCES and totally attack chord stab samples DDD
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haha 
i havent attacked chord stab samples..
im think you should use them if you find them to fit.
but that was another topic and clearly you heard me say that it was for educational purpose...
instead of talking in the air, why wont you just ask me instead kirna?
i know you been upset for a long time about that thread  hehe |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 8, 2006 16:13
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i knew before i had a real bad attitude towards usage of drumloops and so on...
but now i have another view!
i think we should all use what we find good and what pleases us... thats all its about in the end anyway...
so i will try to think about this and i wont jump you kirna for using the latest dance ejay collection haha just kidding! |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 14:33
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If it fits your needs, then it's ok if you use it, but if your whole track is built from presets, then it's like making a puzzle. If your tracks are mostly based on presets, then your music is kinda in the hands of the sound engineer. If 50% of your soounds are presets then your music can't be very original (referring to the soundscapes)? |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 15:22
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On 2006-01-06 23:34, piko_bianko wrote:
50% right. 16/16 bassline is a music compo, as the 8/16, or 4/4 beat, or 5th/13th snaredrum and in other styles and genres of music.
as far as being the easiest solution for a bassline, then yes, it's shitty. i agree. but sometimes it fits, it's needed.
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I am not arguing whether it is needed or not, I am simply saying that calling someone lazy because they used an arp preset, a quite ironic, considering the current output of the psy-trance genre.
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On 2006-01-08 04:36, presto music wrote:
Compare this to other styles of music. Eg. in rock a Les Paul guitar and Fender amp. Now you get a certain sound from this combo yeah? And it sounds great, yeah? People don't buy a Fender amp and then open the back up and start fucking around with the circuits to create their 'own sound'. In fact it's this 'standard' sound that they strive for, save up all their cash so that they can buy the Les Paul guitar and Fender amp. Once they've got the tools, then they write and perform a wicked new song- and that is the point...
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I would not compare guitars, to synths. Guitars are much more expressive and presonal instruments in the sense that SRV played a strat, Hendrix played a strat, as does Knopfler, Clapton, Malmsteen, Frusciante...etc. Yet you instantly recognise who is who, because their personal input and style of playing, sets them miles apart from each other.
Obviously this is not the case when a sequencer is simply doing the "playing" for you, simply triggering notes as the arrangement progresses. You do tweak the cut-off knob...etc but that is far from using your picking and fretting hands to produce a completely unique output.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 17:10
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14-year old e-tard - actually i think its a fair comparison!
synths is not specific for psytrance, there are other genres its used in.
Playing a keyboard is alot about experssion(like all instruments)
using pitchwheel, modwheel, sustain pedal, velocity sensitive keys and so on...
but i understand that you look at it from a psytrance point of view, well then i have to agree with you a bit e-tard
but i just want to clear that out..
still there are lots of "experssion" tricks to be used when sequencing synthlines, and everything...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 18:50
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On 2006-01-11 17:51, nolightatend wrote:
New Era Sceintist, the point is synth most of the times is not real instrument thus you can't really control expression of it real time like with guitar or even piano, but some expensive synths like Motif able to be as guitars, well a bit alike natural instrument. In therms of psytrance it is useless conversation at all since 99% of musicians here use quantesize and stick to barline functions whiule playing a synth.
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true... but you also see my point |
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 21:54
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On 2006-01-11 15:22, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Obviously this is not the case when a sequencer is simply doing the "playing" for you, simply triggering notes as the arrangement progresses. You do tweak the cut-off knob...etc but that is far from using your picking and fretting hands to produce a completely unique output.
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Thats an issue here...can be counted in percentance.
The sound produced Its is how the Instrument responds to the Player.
If we talk about harp or guitar it reacts based on the fingers position..
but what happens about Piano?It needs skills too to be played...
Here comes the velocity,common in midi enviroments too.
I am trying to say that if u record a natural play with midi,midi response Almost physical into the range 0-128.
Also have in mind that the perfect natural playing due to a record requires many recordings..
Also believe that if Hendrix was still alive he would be a fuckin kick ass funky progressive,turning his double tasto guitars
to reakt both as midi and natural |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 11:06
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I never said that the piano does not need skills to be played. But again the piano is an instrument that is not as sensitive as a guitar or as a saxophone to the player's input. I am not dissing the piano, or piano players at all by the way. I think it is a fantastic instrument. A bitch to tune though.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 12:30
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Pressing a note with varying velocity and using 3 footpedals is quite different than hammer ons/offs, fingerpicking, tapping, picking with different angles of the pick, palm muting, bending, sliding, harmonic picking...etc.
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