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Jerry
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Posted : Nov 2, 2007 14:45
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On 2007-11-02 06:34, piXan wrote:
and steinberg are the ones that came up with VST... that alone makes it the most influential technological development in music since analog synthetizers and samplers IMHO. |
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Just because they invented it doesn't mean i have to use their other software.. Sure it's a great invention but if (i speak of no experience here) it is poorly implemented than it still sucks.
Ok back on topic, i have seen many pro's and con's on using both. I am just gonna try SX 3 for a few weeks and see if i can get the hang of it. Sure it will be another few weeks of no real production but still i will learn something and that's valuable too. Perhaps i'll run into the same experience with bugs or just the interface that i don't like and perhaps i will switch back to ableton but i don't think i can really get a good opinion unless i have at least given it a fair shot.
I am used to work with buggy programs a little. Buzz was extremely nice for me but it was really buggy at times. When you wanted to open a new buzz project you had to shut down the program completely to make sure everything was reset properly before loading the new project. Though buzz did learn me to save my project after every small step i did cause you could never be sure if the next step was gonna crash the program.
I have downloaded 3 tutorial video's as well to get me started so i'll keep you updated on my progress and i'll definitely share my experiences with you during the learning and after i think i know how to work with it.
Thanks for all the thoughtfull replies and definitely keep them coming. I can use all advice!
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makus
Overdream
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Posted : Nov 2, 2007 16:48
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On 2007-11-02 06:42, bukboy wrote:
I cant stand the midi latency cubase bug, where the recording begins offset by random amounts.
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can you describe that a little bit more please?
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 2, 2007 19:39
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this is commonly known as the acpi problem. it has a page on it at cubase. The only reccomendations they give is to give up on windows ACPI mode(cant remember what it stands for)
The symptoms of the problem are that depending on how long cubase has been initialised for, the recording of midi events is offset by a progressively longer period in a take. this can be 5-10 seconds. the clever way of resolving this is to go to devices and do a reset.But before every take.
Fact is ableton does not have this issue, so I couldnt care less about using cubase any further considering how it crashes so often, I lose work, Also I am extremely unhappy about cubase workflow after I discovered live. Live lets me rearrange takes accompaniment instantly, while cubase i have to laboriously un freeze all frozen tracks, then set up an accompaniment, then refreeze. Ableton is next generation thinking next gen software that exposes cubase for the dinosaur it is. And considering how easy it was to learn live no-one has an excuse for defending cubase. |
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Work4Acid
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 04:14
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I started with Cubase, i mess around with it for a while, but then i got Ableton... and maaaan, it improved my workflow so much!
When i have an idea i feel that i can do it really fast, because of the visual interfase, very intuitive (at first it take some liitle knowledge before you feel really free)
But to make ideas reallity i think its the best! And the recovery function saved my ass so many times.
The racks are great! very crazy stuff i made with them.
And i really dont get what some people say about that the sound its not very good, wtf? dont get it, its just a secuencer.
On the other hand for mastering ill do it in Cubase, because it has that "more-detailed-control feeling"
As a final overview i thing Ableton its the young smart-quick guy, but Cubase its the experienced granpha ^^ IMO
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makus
Overdream
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 11:50
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hey bukboy, thanks for good explanation, it seems i got this bug sometimes using my nordlead... i thought the problem is in nordlead. i bought it second hand quite cheap.
the problem is that while im recording or even if nordlead is turned on, cubase starts behaving like 300 vsts enabled and it shows a huge amount of cpu loaded and so on. solves with resetting devices. is that it?
man i should try some other host just to check that another host doesnt have this bug.
thanks again.
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brasirc
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 17:56
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btw....from time to time...my ASIO soundcard goes wild and makes the sound really shitty ( slowing down, pitch down, a bit of granular, making it unlistenable) it goes like that for a few seconds (sometimes even almost a minute) then comes back to normal...
since i only use Live (and reason, but rewired to live anyway) i wonder if its a problem with live, or with my sound card???
anyone know what im talking about? =o
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 19:17
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check if ur cpu utilisation is above 100%  . It happens to me if I switch to other tasks and then come back. |
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makus
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 19:22
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On 2007-11-03 17:56, brasirc wrote:
btw....from time to time...my ASIO soundcard goes wild and makes the sound really shitty ( slowing down, pitch down, a bit of granular, making it unlistenable) it goes like that for a few seconds (sometimes even almost a minute) then comes back to normal...
since i only use Live (and reason, but rewired to live anyway) i wonder if its a problem with live, or with my sound card???
anyone know what im talking about? =o
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try increasing your latency time.
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Rishi
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 23:05
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I use ableton together with Cubase , and here it has opened up alot of nice doors for me .. I actually make a "rmx" of my own track .. having the finished project made and running in cubase,
I drag in alot of audio into ableton , now its a piece of cake to spice the track up , put in some nice fx's, grooves or even drag in audio from other projects and mix them into also . Suddenly its a big jamsession, but with a start and a end point .. giving some nice combos , ideas, energy .. and in the end maybe nice results ..
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 10:07
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Check out the Sonar 7 demo if you are deciding on a new DAW: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb20061101.asp
Warning: This is Sonar 7.0 (and not 7.01 as the link indicates). There are still some bugs in this version but it should give you a good idea of the application.
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psylevation
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 19:46
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Regarding the ACPI Problem, have you checked to see if this still exists with Cubase 4? or 4.1 for that matter?
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bukboy
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 21:48
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dude - ur not getting it. ableton is nicer. Thank god I know. Cubase is obsolete. I dont care for any more steinberg bugs. I can now just work on my music. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 22:03
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I don't like Live. Tried to get acquainted with it a few times but something about it's design and sound keeps me away. Maybe it's the Flash like buttons. Maybe it's the sound that just sounds not right. I donno, Cubase is my weapon. For better and worse.
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psylevation
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 22:12
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On 2007-11-06 21:48, bukboy wrote:
dude - ur not getting it. ableton is nicer. Thank god I know. Cubase is obsolete. I dont care for any more steinberg bugs. I can now just work on my music.
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Really? Tell me how you x-fade 2 audio clips together in Ableton? How do you organize 80+ tracks? How do you do large amounts of audio editing in Ableton? They are different.
Anyway I'm glad you found something that works for you. Ableton is nice and so is Cubase and it is not obsolete, far from it.
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 22:49
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To say cubase is obsolete is far from the truth. Can you expect to record, mix & master a whole live band in ableton? I think not.
At the end of the day they're all tools to achieve a purpose, use whatever works for you.
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