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Ableton Live 8 VS Cubase 5
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 03:43
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+1 to DH, Colin + Ott - that's enough for me to not care about it anymore. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 04:38
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E-KL!PSE
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 07:27
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*Face palm* Not another DAW war.
A daw is like a canvas or the base system of your art work.
Some people like brick walls, some like paper.
What you paint with and how you paint it is what matters!
IT'S ABOUT ARTISTIC EXPRESSION! Not about what tools you used.
If you feel the product you use helps get your stuff put out there to the best of your ability, then use it.
Don't use software that people tell you to use.
Personally I think each software has it's own sound & feel that can contribute to you projects, kind of like the warmth you get from analogue hardware.
I used to use FL studio, the sounds where always very bottom heavy. Now that I have logic there quite thin and it's a challenge to get a phat sound (I still do though!).
To be honest it would be great to have a Mac compatible FL that I could rewire with logic, it's so easy to make nice saw bass-lines with the 3xOsc & sytrus, especially with that envelope generator.
How I wish the ES2 could have a curved envelope.
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E-KL!PSE
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 07:52
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 15:14
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this could show what daw have the more fanboys that have time to loose on the net when others are busy working  just saying that cause reaper have lot of fans in forums arging it s the best daw blah blah..asking to professionals reaper wouldn t be at this place. |
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 15:31
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On 2010-03-02 06:40, aciduss wrote:
I mean render quality, the summing and output of several channels into a rendered file (i.e. wav).
Also native vsts are Ableton < Cubase < Logic
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its just not true..
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supergroover
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 17:02
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It's like saying that ferrari has a better engine than jaguar or mercedes..
I mean who cares really? They are all top of the bill engines. With all of them you can make an outstanding track. What you produce and how you treat the individual sounds has more impact on the final result then the DAW you use imho.
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naga
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Posted : Mar 7, 2010 21:15
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Reaper seems to be the best this far. -Installation pack is only 4mb
-it doesnt contain any shit
-it's very stable and fast
-vst are setup in second
-it can be customized as you want it. GUI, Shortcuts, mainbar, themes
-rendering from VSTi to wav with one click from customized mainbar (my favorite). Really easy to use one synth to make different instruments and bounce them to wav
-automations are amazing and really easy to setup
-all VSTi knobs can be found with "list filter
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 15:48
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-aeon-
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 17:21
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when it comes to DAWs, they're almost all of a very high standard. you can get 'pro' results in pretty much anything - there are some people making the most amazing music using trackers, for instance.
IMO, that means choosing a DAW is about:
1. what features you're likely to use most
2. what kind of music you're into, and
3. how the workflow can help you to be as creative and productive as possible.
of these, i reckon number 3 is the most important one. once you reach a certain threshold, all DAWs are capable - but they have different strengths and weaknesses.
for example, FLStudio has fantastic automation - probably the best in the business. the piano roll is unique. REAPER has the best routing matrix by miles, it's really something special. and it's light and super efficient. Ableton is unparalleled as a creative sketchpad, there's nothing like it for getting ideas down quickly; and it might just change the way you think about writing music. Protools is industry standard, and if you can operate a PT rig, you can work anywhere in the world. Logic has some killer plugins and the environment view. and Cubase is arguably the most in-depth DAW in existence.
you can see where personal and professional preference comes into play. do you collaborate with lots of electronic artists? Cubase will probably suit you better. do you record lots of bands? check Protools. do you need the inspiration and buzz that comes from getting stuff done quickly? Ableton all the way.
really it becomes about the aesthetic, and about what helps you to actually get shit done. you might love the free jam aspect of Live... you might crave the complexity and control of Cubase.
so the real question is: what's important to you?
on nulling:
it's possible to accept that null testing as a concept is valid, whilst maintaining that most null tests are not adequately constructed. in the same way as we can accept that double-blind testing is scientifically valid, but very difficult to actually achieve.
importing a few tracks of audio and rendering them unchanged does not reflect real world usage.
at least not my real world most of my projects have 50+ audio tracks. with lots of volume, pan and plugin automation. and half a dozen group tracks. and half a dozen FX returns, with lots of FX send automation.
recreating such a project across more than one DAW platform is almost an impossibility.
does this mean i am questioning the validity of the null? NO!
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Josh Inc
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 23:32
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Can Ableton use external processors/fx as vst inserts like cubase can??
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Mar 9, 2010 00:35
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hmmm this is one of thouse topics lol
first of all in nowadays, every DAW as good quality the major diference is made by how to people use them...
at 5 years ago, there was logic, cubase and pro-tools wich leaded the market, because they had a superior sound quality at rendering, but today diference is more or less, a matter of how the DAW sound it self and not a quality issue
i own flstudio 9 and i realy enjoy it, sound quality, work flow, midi relations... everything, and the best part is that only have to pay it once, because i have free life time updates
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dija
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Posted : Mar 9, 2010 21:44
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I've been a lifetime FL user myself. When I started it definitely wasn't up to par with what I do today. However, my production has grown at about the same rate as the FL releases. I've yet to see much you can do in another daw that can't be done in FL, and most of the time its much easier in FL.
That said when you render in FL there are several output you have cheap 6 point hermite, all the way up to 256 or more point synch. So when rendering in FL for the best quality use the best quality rendering option it has. It's very slow but better.
However, I am looking to cubase and ableton as a way to spark some creativity I've been lacking. Only problem is the only stable version of cubase I have is 2.0. Which I'm sure is miles behind cubase 5. I'd love to get a stable 5. I can't load kontakt in it without a crash. I'm updating to kontakt 4 to see if that is the problem.
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frambonas
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Posted : Mar 12, 2010 14:49
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On 2010-03-07 15:31, Zork wrote:
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On 2010-03-02 06:40, aciduss wrote:
I mean render quality, the summing and output of several channels into a rendered file (i.e. wav).
Also native vsts are Ableton < Cubase < Logic
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its just not true..
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You are right, these days there is no difference between DAW's in quality.
Some people just say that becouse ten years ago there was a big difference between all the daw's. At my school our teacher used digital performer just to proof that point.
And if you don't know what to use, cubase vs Ableton.
Just use cubase with ableton rewire, very easy working like that. And you take the best of both
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the daleks
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Posted : Mar 15, 2010 08:08
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ableton sounds fine, and i trust it as my live rig.
i use logic for making tracks an wouldnt have it any other way, but its all workflow related
1) i cant deal with lives timeline... just the way it looks makes me want to go back to clip view
2) no splitting of windows .. i use 2 monitors, enough said
3) editor windows.. live just doesnt have it in this department
that being said Live is excellent at what it does and sounds pretty good, its up to each persons workflow tastes .. as stated some people get great results out of Live and FL for making tracks
just imo Live was not made as a Live tool, and illustrates the dichotomoy between preparing a liveset and preparing a track, they are 2 entirely different processes, not saying that you cant use 1 to do both though
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