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Ableton Live 8 VS Cubase 5
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:01
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No, we don't... just make your own experiments.
It is not easy to prove this. IMHO ableton is a great piece of software but can't just sound tight and bright.
Do your own testing and maybe it can work for you who knows... for me it is cubase as long as i work on pc... mac times are yet to come for me and my budget but i know from pro sources logic owns cubase sound engine tho.
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Albertos
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:05
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Albertos
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:09
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On 2010-03-02 21:01, aciduss wrote:
No, we don't... just make your own experiments.
It is not easy to prove this. IMHO ableton is a great piece of software but can't just sound tight and bright.
Do your own testing and maybe it can work for you who knows... for me it is cubase as long as i work on pc... mac times are yet to come for me and my budget but i know from pro sources logic owns cubase sound engine tho.
cheers.
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Man you don't have to buy Mac for use ableton...it has windows setup ...and it works great on quad core processors !!! |
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:11
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I meant Mac for Logic dude... no Logic +8 for pc. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:12
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Oops double post. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 21:18
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I'm confused - what amazing 'tightness and brightness' piece of software is ableton missing? that seems a pretty ridiculous statement to me (especially when they all run the same VSTis...) - obviously as Elad already said if it was blatantly obvious as to which one was 'better' then you would be able to easily say which artist uses what - and you just can't (or at least, I cant!)
I am relatively new to the DAW scene, but it seems to me this discussion is very similar to the hardware vs software or this EQ vs that EQ discussion - maybe it was important 5-10 years ago when there were major differences, but with the state of technology currently as long as you know how to *use* the tools available (and as long as you pick one of the DAWs that has a full feature set) then which tool you pick is by and large irrelevant.
As I said before, I haven't seen a feature that one DAW has that another one completely lacks, with the notable exception that Ableton is built from the ground up with a performance aspect to it, and unless I'm mistaken FL/Logic/Cubase are strictly composition?
Of course you can rewire them to each other to gain the supposed benefits of each one, and I can see this as being very viable if you have experience with all 3 of them - I may be wrong here but I would think it more advantageous to know one of them *really well* so you can streamline your workflow and get the most out of each one that you can...more time making music less time learning software 
Oh, and are there actual comparisons done between rendering on different DAWS? I'm skeptical and my inclination is to think that its more of a product of people liking one DAW more than another moreso than an actual discernible difference (but then again, I'm quite new, so I could be wrong)
I mean - I've seen a lot of tutorial videos regarding ableton, and in a lot of those videos I've seen people render or bounce, and I've never heard someone say "ok, we all know that Ableton's rendering is obviously inferior to Cubase's, so I'm just gonna pop into Cubase real quick to do this so it doesn't sound like shit" or something like that.
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 22:31
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Yeah man, i'm ridiculous.
Do your own research and believe whatever you want to believe ok?
I mean i can't prove it, i don't want to persuade you guys to believe something... i just talk from personal experience and what i have learned from other more experienced peers.
So again, trust your own ears, brain, equipment and production skills.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 22:42
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No need to get defensive.
I just think that that was a particularly ridiculous statement - There are many, many, many users of Ableton in various music genres - if it were so constrained as to not allow them to have a tight and bright sound if they so desired, then there wouldn't be so many people constantly talking about and using ableton in their psy releases. maybe *you* can't get a tight and bright sound out of ableton, but that is not ableton's fault.
Now, as for the rendering and the research and what not - I DO NOT KNOW! I have tried to search for render comparisons between DAWs because I am interested in their relative quality - if Logic or Cubase is actually *that* much superior to Ableton when it comes to such things, then I would like to know that so I can stop wasting my time learning Ableton!
I ask the question because I am sure that many other people have done research, and maybe someone's found something that I haven't yet...
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 22:48
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Learning Ableton is not a waste of time... it is a wonderful piece of software it just won't render as nicely as others... "tight n bright" were just some adjetive to describe it... because i don't know how to explain it... ableton renders sound just a little dusty compared to other softs.
I know there are zillion ableton users, but how many of those actually use ableton for something else than playing live, how many of those actually produce psytrance, how many of those actually preffer live over cubase / logic, how many of those actually have released tracks?
Just take a look at the first answer OP got by a bluename.
I don't want to feed another DAW war...
I still love ableton and use it a lot for percussion, and operator vst, among with other nice features... i just wish it sounded like cubase. IMO Ableton sounds like dusty, digital, cuadratized, aliased like if you could actually hear a lot of digital processes going on, specially on its native vsts for example its reverb and maybe it doesn't mater that much... maybe just 1% of the crown dancing to your beat would listen that, but it keeps me going back to cubase...
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ansolas
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 19:59
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 20:20
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As far as I know, Cubase 5 and Logic Pro summing engines are of equal quality. The difference comes from native plug ins in which case Logic's get the most votes from people who have experience with native plug ins from the sequencers in discussion.
But if you are using 3rd party plug ins for everything, the word on the street is that they are all absolutely fine.
Leaving dance genres and tastes aside, Deadmau5 used ableton to mix some tunes that sound absolutely brilliant and stormed the charts. That says more about Ableton's audio engine than "internet hear say".
I absolutely love Logic's sound but I don't think anyone on here (including my self obviously) is such an experienced engineer, that he can out grow Ableton's or Cubase's audio engine and blame them for any shortcomings in their mixes.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 20:37
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 20:43
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+1
I bet I know which track it is, though 
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 22:13
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Is there anyone here that has both Cubase and Logic, who could make a track (without using any of either program's 'exclusive' plugins, export the track using the same samplerate and bitdepth and then put them up for download somewhere? I'd be really interested to see if I can hear any difference. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 22:51
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it won t be a valid test,a more valid test would be to record something like 10 tracks or even more that play at the same time on each sequencers and bounce for a/b (and maybe using low levels on the faders of each tracks)
try a search on gearslutz forum you may find some test |
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