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Aeon
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 11:02
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psyaudiodynamics,
the thing is no matter how much CPU you have you will always use it all  if the headroom is there you will just keep adding channels until you realise things are slowing down. and in fact having to bounce stuff down to audio can be really useful because it forces you to actually finish stuff, instead of just layering more and more synths and thinking 'oh, i'll leave them as vsti, maybe i will want to tweak them later'...
even if you had an octo-core computer with 20g of ram eventually you'll run out of steam  and remember that different manufacturers, system setups and configurations will affect the overall speed... make sure you do all the XP audio tweaks (a really important one is to change the power schemes to 'always on', because otherwise laptops run programs monitoring power usage).
however i think it's safe to say your machine will kick ass
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| u stated that u had all those plugins and ur cpu was runnin smooth... question are u using eq,and other efx processors 3 party plugins aswell in ur track??? |
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in that particular track i mentioned i had an instance of ableton's EQ Eight on about half the channels, and another four channels of audio (plus one Simpler running kick drum). it's not a proper track though, i just ran it as a test bench to see what my laptop was capable of. i also used a few instances of Ambience (lovely free reverb, quite CPU intensive), and the whole project was running at about 85-95% CPU, with occasional spikes.
and that's without Deep Freeze btw, which is a seriously cool feature... with Deep Freeze you can still edit many channel parameters yet save an awful lot of CPU.
i would never put my machine under such a high stress in a gig situation - when i do live sets i tend to have maybe 5 Vanguards and 2 Zetas to play with midi controller, then another 6-10 audio channels as FX racks (for electric violin). i rarely get above 40% when doing live...
but really the point is not that you can load up a zillion vstis - the main advantage is when you're in that moment of blossoming creative energy when you need to get your ideas out as quickly as possible, having extra power means you don't have to interrupt your workflow to render stuff. that's where the CPU headroom is useful to me, because when i work i tend to get inspired and program intensively, and it's great to know that my system can handle whatever i throw at it.
and anyway, no-one should be using just two synths to write an entire track 
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| i do have my favorite plugins like urs but those are real good with the cpu but my other favorites like GRM dude those kill my computer do u have those and if u do how good are they when runnin with ya set up??
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i don't have that many plugins, don't know the GRM ones... i use a lot of freeware and record a lot of audio, so the biggest CPU-hogs i tend to use are Zeta, Crystal2, reverbs like Ambience, SIR, ableton's reverb, and EQs like Electric-Q.
it's worth mentioning at this stage that i have clocked some insane CPU percentages when testing my own synthedit vstis... one synth i made showed spikes of up to 2565% (two and a half thousand percent! LOL) and ableton kept running. i'm not sure why this is or how it's possible but i do notice that anything over 110% results in audible dropouts/glitches. and remember: if you're using audio the speed of your HDD will affect the number of disk dropouts (indicated by a small red flashing light at top right of CPU display bar).
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| and also are u runnin more applications rewired? |
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nope, never even thought about it! although i do speak Fruityloops i'm afraid i'm a bit rusty don't use anything else. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 15:50
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| the thing is no matter how much CPU you have you will always use it all[ |
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I work with live 6 on a core 2 duo 2.66 and I've never reach 100%. and I don't freeze.
I use a raid o so i never have hd overloads problems.
If you want to make you life easier when you upgrade software upgrade your machine too. |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 17:30
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thanks aeon!
for takin the time and info provided...
i see u use simpler too for the kickdrum lol.
question for seppa what u mean i use raid???
can u tell us more about that????
thanx in advance and again thank u aeon for ur detailed respondse it's always nice to see people come in here and help out when ur having doubts or just wanna get things cleared out... you all have a good one!!! BOOMMMMM |
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Seppa
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Posted : Feb 22, 2007 19:53
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a raid controller is device that allow you to set up a disk array to run in different modes.
-the mode Raid 0 is an array with 2 hardrives . whatever info you re saving on your system, it is stript over 2 hd. this way half the data goes to the hd1 and the second half to the hd 2.
this way when you recalla or save data it goes twice as fast.
-a 7200 rpm hd can handle a certain amount of simultanious audio files being red. it actually also depends on the make cause some will be able to handle slightly more data than others.
-if your system runs a raid 0 for example you won't be handicapt by your single hd cause you'll be able to play double the amount of clips in the case of live.
-there is a downside though .If one of the hd fails you loose everything on both the hd cause a single hd will only contain half the stript datas. this is avoidable by using a raid 0+1 set wich is based on 3 hds.
I personnaly don't bother with that I just have an external hd for backup.
it's not as complicated as it looks once the array is set your hds will appear in your system as a single hd. You can do anything you would normaly do, like partitioning ect..
I use a raid system for many years now and i will never go back to use a single hd. |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Feb 23, 2007 09:14
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wassup seppa!
man thanks a million thats fuckin awesome...no other word for it...
would i have to reformatt my HD to set em up for raid???
again thanx thats just brilliant mate! |
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Posted : Feb 23, 2007 16:22
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yes, you would have format the 2raid0 hdds to setup this.... the perfomance changes brutally.
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