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vipal
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Posted : Mar 9, 2013 20:22:04
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when i use two audioclips containing kicks to make a layered kick sound in ableton 8 there is some weird modulation going on. in a one bar loop, the first 2 resulting kick sounds (of the layered kick) are ok, the other two are different,
its like the timeline of clips is modulated a very tiny bit, you would never hear it if there was not such a critical application like putting two kicks on top of eachother.
i do not find a way to get rid of that. when i zoom out max on the clips there is a vibrating vertical line at the beginning of the loop. this vibrating is left-right suggesting modulation
yes i warped the kicks exactly to the right spots.
is this a build in feature of ableton one cannot bypass?
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 06:51
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can u not just load the kicks u want to layer in Midi Drum Rack? aleast that way u can still eq separately with stability
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vipal
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 12:04
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well i could bounce the two layers in cubase as a workaround but my main thing is that i dont like this kind of daw behavior at all. to me it looks as if ableton is not capable of playing clips 100% on time. i could not find any activated swing or groove setting, it is as if it comes automatically with ableton. in other words: its a bug.
when i imported my kick and bass files from cubase into ableton it sounds different then in cubase. ok, does not mean ableton is not good, when i would have made the files in ableton i could have got the same soundquality, at least thats what i thought.
now i doubt this. for percussion you wont hear it, it might even sound better, more alive. but for things you want 100% on the spot it sucks. i dont want my kicks snares and bass move uncontrolled , not even this tiny bit ableton does. for me ableton is a nice player but not really suited to produce the way i like.
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 19:08
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my god did u even read what i sed to do?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 10, 2013 22:28
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The reason you are having issues is that you don't know what you're doing.
If you want to do a layered kick sound, having each one in its own audio or midi track through a sampler is a strange way to do it.
Much better to load them both into an Instrument Rack together so they both get triggered by the same midi note in the same track at the exact same time.
Ableton is not cubase. If you expect it to act like cubase and you don't take the time to learn how ableton works then it's not surprising that you're getting frustrated. However it is simply a problem with you not knowing your tools properly - not a problem with the tools not being effective.
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vipal
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Posted : Mar 11, 2013 00:57
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jizy: well for me its not only abt getting a layered kick. its a bit more fundamental. yes i read what you said.
will: its true in ableton i dont know 100% when an audio clip starts.
why would clips that are supposed to start at the same time, all the time, not follow this instruction?
why am i bound to this specific ableton groove behavior when i work with audio clips?
i am mostly interested in your experience on that specific matter. from what i understand now from your reaction: dont work with audioclips in ableton for time critical applications. good tip. i can back that up.
doubtful about lives timing behavior in general now.
but.. i could be wrong.
maybe i could send you the audio files, you mixout 16 bar kb in ableton. i do the same in cubase and we present a blind test here so we really can see what is the matter.
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 11, 2013 18:22
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all i read is that your laying kicks and that the clips r fuking around..i sed well put them in drum rack "turn the samples into midi hits instead of un syncing hits
no its not strange will , what u just sed iz basicly what i ment..just load the twats in a fuking sampler my god! "nothing is strange just a different way so dont be so narrow minded with ya own techniques
look i would just use ma sub in one channel of the rack then the kicks i want layering --impluse or drum rack wot could be more simple?
i dont layer kciks anyway lol -just thought why can u not just do that insteada gettin frustrated with flaws........
post up these layers vipal that are conflicting wiv ableton clip sync... |
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