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ABL2 Audiorealism bassline ??? how to make great bassline with it ???

bwiti

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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:05:37
hi, i use abl2 and need to know more about how to make a perfect bassline with abl2 i use waves EQ like REQ6,C4,RBASS,Maxbass

any ideas ????
naga
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:22
yeh, how? i've not find the way either just got vb1
Nerdkiller


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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:28
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On 2008-11-12 18:05:37, bwiti wrote:
hi, i use abl2 and need to know more about how to make a perfect bassline with abl2 i use waves EQ like REQ6,C4,RBASS,Maxbass

any ideas ????



Isn't the perfect bassline the one that suits better on the track you are composing?
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:37
OMG shes not?
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Martian Arts

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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:39
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On 2008-10-22 11:28, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2006-07-28 01:51, rizm wrote:
What we'd like is for someone to take us through the steps of creating a decent bassline. I know it might be the same as some of producers are using, but at least it would be a start for us



Here's the basics.
Choose one oscillator, saw wave.
Put that through a low pass 24db/8ve (4-pole) filter. Set the resonance to 0.
For complete n00bs, a low pass filter passes the low frequencies of the oscillator/ incoming signal and filters out the high frequencies. The cut off frequency is the frequency at which the filter starts filtering out the harmonics generated by the saw waveform, for a 4 pole filter, that is 24dB per octave.

Lower the cut off frequency enough so that you can only hear the low end.
Now you should hear all this whooly low end that does not cut through in the mix, so...
In your modulation matrix set an envelope as your source and the filter cut-off, as your destination. Set velocity to control your modulation index.
Rough filter ADSR settings are: 0 attack, 0 sustain and 0 release. The decay parameter is the time it will take for the filter to close once it opens as much as you have selected in your filter modulation index. The higher the index, the more effect the ADSR will have on the cut-off, so for example, if the modulation index is at max, the filter will open fully, and then close as fast as the decay parameter commands.
So roughly set that modulation index to 60% and a fast decay setting (say 1/5 of the maximum decay setting).
If you want more harmonics in your bassline, don't bother boosting the high mids, simply increase the modulation index and/or increase the filter's cut-off frequency. Generally its best to get the sounds right at source and use as little processing as possible.
Amplifier ADSR settings should be 0 attack (right before clicking), decay is irrelevant as your sustain should be set to max and 0 release (right before clicking).
Since velocity is your modulation index controller, the notes that are lower in velocity will open the filter less, so you can play around and make an interesting pattern.

Obviously different synths have their sound, but generally play with the cut-off frequency, modulation index (the amount by which the envelope controls the filter) and the decay parameter of the filter's envelope to get the bass that suits your tune.

THE most important thing to getting a good bassline is to listen carefully to the basslines of the tunes you like and understand what the artist did to get them sounding like that. You will only understand if you practise a lot trying to make your own basslines and get a good grip on synth parameters and the effect they have on the final patch.
The second most important thing, is how well your mix is balanced and how busy your arrangement is. Some basslines and kicks sound phat only because there is smart arranging that gives them space to cut through.


Peace out.


          
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naga
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:43
Nerdkiller,

+1

but what comes to Britney

I believe shes still waiting to meet the right guy. maybe finnish
bwiti

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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 18:54
thx for request bro pipe&slippers , i will try and give you feed about that

i try to make my own bassline "like Sensient" or "kindzadza or krumlur etc..." i want a just know more about abl2 vst.

lol no britney here Nerdkiller only psy sound

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Martian Arts

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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 19:02
Although I am not into sensient's or kidzadza's music and don't know who krumlur is/are, these basic steps work for all subtractive synths, so provided you know what you are looking for, with practice and careful listening, you should be able to get it.           
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bwiti

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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 19:20
thx bro for help

Nerdkiller


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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 19:29
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On 2008-11-12 18:43, naga wrote:
Nerdkiller,

+1

but what comes to Britney

I believe shes still waiting to meet the right guy. maybe finnish



She might be waiting for the right guy as well, but one thing is for sure: in the meanwhile she's trying all the others. girls and boys.



AND we can learn a good lesson out of that as well.

Finding the RIGHT BASS is just like Britney trying to find her true love ( :S ).

You have to keep trying and listening, then teaking, then touching, then getting pregnant/shaved/locked down in the asylum/paparazzi pictured without underwear/have homossexual relationship with paris hilton/sued/release crap music, then learn about basic synth programming.

As simple as that
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 20:33
bwiti, sounds like you need to read some more about how synthesis actually works. It's not very difficult to create a bassline like the artists you mentioned if you know what everything does and how it changes the sound. I can tell you that the usual Sensient bass is just a decent sounding combination of saw/sine/pulse waves and a fast decay amp ADSR, 24db/oct LPF with a bit of resonance around 250-300hz. I haven't heard any recent Kindzadza basses, so I can't comment on that. Krumelur basslines tend to just be longer notes on upbeat grooves with a lot of filter modulation...he's more creative about basslines than most artists, so there isn't really a typical Krumelur bass.

2 more cents:

Awesome bass + wrong kick = terrible.
Awesome kick + wrong bass = terrible.

IMO the kick and bass don't matter individually. I've made basslines that sound amazing on their own, but don't fit well (even after EQing and all other processing) with any kick in my library. For me, finding the right kick and bass combination is about 30% of the work in creating a track, so it's hard to just post a simple tutorial about it. Tweak, tweak, and tweak again.           You believe in the users?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 06:09
Kane is totally right...

and my adivce is to skip all those Eq´s and compressors to begin with and focus on the synth and kick...
subconsciousmind
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 10:32
cutoff 50%, Resonance 0%, envelope 100%, decay as you wish, Accent 100%

switch to midi notes
send notes with velocity of 128.

Tweak cutoff, decay, envelope from this point to you desire..

Forget EQ Comp etc. concentrate on the synth.           Most of my music for you to download at:
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bwiti

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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 11:31
thx lot for requests i think your reply is right

and i agree :

Awesome bass + wrong kick = terrible.
Awesome kick + wrong bass = terrible.

i have one other question do u know how i can copy pattern from abl2 synth to Pianoroll ? is possible ?

thx
Peace
ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 12:54
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On 2008-11-13 10:32, subconsciousmind wrote:
cutoff 50%, Resonance 0%, envelope 100%, decay as you wish, Accent 100%

switch to midi notes
send notes with velocity of 128.

Tweak cutoff, decay, envelope from this point to you desire..




... and then sample something like 2 octaves(now I think maybe 3 is better, as I need to repitch_up some samples to achieve full range of notes I need), with 4 hits for each note.

Choose not only the best, but similar waveforms for each note. I´ve normalized to a common value, but as far as I remember just few hits needed it.

Load it with your fav sampler(Kontakt for me) and you have a nice stable bass patch!           LOADING...
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