A Track From Scratch....

On 2005-08-04 20:03, Saimon/Genetic Spin wrote:


Here´s mine...(not very pioneering I guess..), anyway here goes, roughly I:

- Start with Kick/Bass as the fundament of the track (woow realy!...)

- Hi´s and percussions groove (conga etc.) as the next..

- Main Leads and sounds answering each other, for buildup fase and climax..

- Strings and Fillings Next, incl. voice and vocals stuff..

- "One timers" then....sounds u only hear one time in da track...

- Details like long and short "swoops" etc...

- According to buildup, I then have a couple of "loop-blocks" with first face, second face, climax, tale and so...and try to connect these in the best way, with themes replacing eachother, drops, breaks etc.....I usually do the intro as the last thing acctually...I try to mix, Eq, and so, on the run, but ofcourse that is the final state to balance everything out, after also having heard the mix at other places....

I/We dont always work this square, but just in general....


I Would be happy to hear how you do ?????

Saimon

On 2005-08-04 20:03, Saimon/Genetic Spin wrote:
Hey Guys!

Of the many subjects discussed in here, one I feel is missing (or I´m just to blind to find

When you start a track from scratch, where do you start and how do you proceed..??????

Guess most people start about the same way..., but it could be interesting to see if someone had a total different approach to starting a track...

Here´s mine...(not very pioneering I guess..), anyway here goes, roughly I:

- Start with Kick/Bass as the fundament of the track (woow realy!...)

- Hi´s and percussions groove (conga etc.) as the next..

- Main Leads and sounds answering each other, for buildup fase and climax..

- Strings and Fillings Next, incl. voice and vocals stuff..

- "One timers" then....sounds u only hear one time in da track...

- Details like long and short "swoops" etc...

- According to buildup, I then have a couple of "loop-blocks" with first face, second face, climax, tale and so...and try to connect these in the best way, with themes replacing eachother, drops, breaks etc.....I usually do the intro as the last thing acctually...I try to mix, Eq, and so, on the run, but ofcourse that is the final state to balance everything out, after also having heard the mix at other places....

I/We dont always work this square, but just in general....


I Would be happy to hear how you do ?????

Saimon

On 2005-08-04 21:09, Colin OOOD wrote:
I start off by deciding how long I want the track to be, then I create an empty stereo 32-bit 44.1KHz .wav in Soundforge of that length. I zoom right in and select the pencil tool, and start drawing...

On 2005-08-04 21:04, fuzzikitten wrote:
That's really cool to read Saimon...

Usually I try to do it all at once, writing the track right then and there. Sometimes it works, usually it leaves me frustrated.

I've tried breaking it down in to elements like this, but I could never seem to get it to stay cohesive.

You seem to have a way that works and I'm excited to try some of these.

I like the idea of doing leads with call/response, buildups, and climaxes all at once. When I read that it was so obvious and yet I realized I've never done it that way.

I also do the intro last... I usually try to have some sort of 'ambient remix' of the main theme or sounds, a way of easing the listener in.

*thank you*

On 2005-08-04 22:03, Spindrift wrote:
I personally find that I get more creative if I leave the kick and bass until I have some interesting leads and/or sounds.
Energy wise of course the bass and kick is the fundament in a track, but creativly I would say that it very rarely is.

If I make the basis of the track first without the kick and bass my leads, percussion etc will tend to have a more defined rythm as well as more creative sound, and then when you add the kick and bass it will kick nicely.

Also I find it rather limiting sometimes when I do make fairly melodic tunes to make my leads follow the melody of the bass.
Traditionally in songwriting you would very rarely start with the bass pattern. It's usually there to complement the rest of the track and not the other way around.

So for me it goes something like this most of the time:
1. Sound FX and intro sounds to build some kind of atmosphere.
2. Some kind of dominant synth. Can be melodic or not, it varies, but should have some rythm, sound or melody to it that grabs the attention.
3. Hats and percussion.
4. Another lead or sound.
5. Kick and bass.
6. More of whatever is missing. Leads, perc or sound FX.
7. When I have more than enough ideas ready I start with the arrangement. I like having as much as possible to play with ready to make the arrangement process as fast as possible.

On 2005-08-05 03:23, DarkPsy wrote:
depending on the mood and on what i want that this track follow.