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A thread that Hos nothing to do with music but all at the same time
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.Telektonon.
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Posted : Jan 8, 2007 17:17
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....... first there needs to be a truly unbelievable willing to want to understand.
First is the desire, then thought and then what ever compelling action necessary to create a key to unlock one of the many doors before you, being it night ,day, city, or forest. Altered, psychedelic, or at work in your bosses office (lets hope not).
Creatures... we believe we are, but the vessel is more of a machine. Superconductors linked to a 'Grand CPU', when you are charged with the appropriate frequency, a small square box will pop up in front, giving you a choice weather to Agree or disagree. Yes.... just like upgrading from DOS to Altavista. Given the right adjustments (varying from one vessel to another) your wireless connection will then go from 12 kbts per sec to an infinity download rate in which time cease's to exist. Mechanical no, electrical maybe, frightening yes, euphorically musical most definitely....... But beyond 12 tones......aaaahhhhh, but the colour!
Your form of transport will no longer be needed as it is a place with no roads, ....a place you will recognize. Entities that you will be at the mercy of......and a language you will learn.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 8, 2007 18:33
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Telktonon - if you have experienced this yourself then what in the Gods' name are you doing posting about it in the technical section of some little insignificant internet forum, you're an enlightened being, go and spread your message to people in the flesh, it will do more good. The internet is renowned for being an inefficient medium totally prone to misunderstanding, given that it only allows for the transmission of the 10% of our communications that are verbal/textual.
If you haven't experienced this yourself then you're talking out of your arse.
Either way this thread is utterly out of place in this section.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 8, 2007 22:09
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When I think about psytrance I tend to see it as most (or one of the most) evolved music genres on the planet. So this topic makes a nice display of how the producers of psytrance see the world.
Now when I consider everything said in this topic... psytrance was the seed of the future but the spirit is lost and now it's infected with repetition, stagnation and dogmatic establishment. There's not a trace of psychedelic view left. So in fact... I see no better place for this topic.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Tomos
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Posted : Jan 8, 2007 22:17
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On 2007-01-08 22:09, shamantrixx wrote:
... psytrance was the seed of the future but the spirit is lost and now it's infected with repetition, stagnation and dogmatic establishment. There's not a trace of psychedelic view left.
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If people like the sound - they will copy it. If people like the sound - they will sell it.
There are only a few people that come along every so often and truly advance the current sound to it's next level. Don't dismiss the current state of Trance in such a sweeping generalisation, there are lots of good people doing the right thing - keeping the faith and pushing their own format. The next revolution is always just round the corner 
For myself, Faster and Harder does not equal Better. Can we please have a revolution back to original melody and ideas! There is so much unexplored map in Psy I assure you. |
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.Telektonon.
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Posted : Jan 8, 2007 23:53
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Well I have no message to spread just a small experience to share. .... shame on me.
I think my words were quite relevant to the birth of this thread.
Either way if toes are being stood on I shall retreat back into my cave.
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in-human
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 01:04
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So far it has been quite a interesting read.
Quite possibly ideas that stem from why we feel the need to create music in the first place.
It’s nice to see a thread that doesn’t lick Colin OOOD”S arse!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 01:58
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in-human
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 02:29
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….Yeah it definitely couldn’t get any cleaner, but we could always work around to your sack.
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 03:27
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On 2007-01-08 22:17, Tomos wrote:
There are only a few people that come along every so often and truly advance the current sound to it's next level. Don't dismiss the current state of Trance in such a sweeping generalisation, there are lots of good people doing the right thing - keeping the faith and pushing their own format. The next revolution is always just round the corner
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long live psychedelic trance
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 08:07
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Telektonon - there is somtheing called predicitive equivalence when discriminating between two theories. Which means that a piece of evidence supports two theories.
The two theories we can call A and B where A is that "Telektonon has discovered a key to other dimensions using drugs" and B is "Telektonon's brain is making him think hes in another dimension because he is on drugs."
The evidence that u gave, i.e
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....... first there needs to be a truly unbelievable willing to want to understand.
First is the desire, then thought and then what ever compelling action necessary to create a key to unlock one of the many doors before you, being it night ,day, city, or forest. Altered, psychedelic, or at work in your bosses office (lets hope not).
Creatures... we believe we are, but the vessel is more of a machine. Superconductors linked to a 'Grand CPU', when you are charged with the appropriate frequency, a small square box will pop up in front, giving you a choice weather to Agree or disagree. Yes.... just like upgrading from DOS to Altavista. Given the right adjustments (varying from one vessel to another) your wireless connection will then go from 12 kbts per sec to an infinity download rate in which time cease's to exist. Mechanical no, electrical maybe, frightening yes, euphorically musical most definitely....... But beyond 12 tones......aaaahhhhh, but the colour!
Your form of transport will no longer be needed as it is a place with no roads, ....a place you will recognize. Entities that you will be at the mercy of......and a language you will learn.
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equally supports both theories A and B.
However, theory B has additional evidence namely that people on drugs jump off building bcoz they think they can fly only to be disappointed, jump in front of busses coz they think they are god maybe, people get psychotic breakdowns coz of drugs. etc,etc,etc....
Given that Theory B has more evidence for it, it is logical that Theory B is much more likely true. And quite conveniently this is actually not a case which cant be disproved, becoz when ur in a looney bin gasping for another trip so u can see the uber whatever, every1 else will see u 4 the insane loser ur edging on to be.
Theory B is substantiated and logical, Theory A has poor evidence and flys in the face of common knowledge, so Having entertained theory A I can safely discard it.
U are a self indulgent little prat arent u, trying to convince sane people that ur drug induced hallucinations are real. Have a nice day.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 18:32
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On 2007-01-06 17:08, .Telektonon. wrote:
I guess for me it comes down to perception as apposed to actual experience …… and yes this is just a guess because I may change my mind by tomorrow.
A question: Do you believe everything you read?
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Some seem to.
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So a text book tells you that humans come from apes. Do you believe this theory because a little old man in a white coat says so, and because your science teacher at school made you write it down from the black board.
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No I believe stuff when it fits in a much larger body of knowledge and has an explanation that makes sense in light of that larger body of knowledge.
There is a major difference between accepted science and religion/superstition: Overall it works! Just look at the world arround you. Computers, cars, planes, internet, medcine, electricity, telecomunication etc etc. It all works and we can witness it every day.
When new theories are proposed that fit in the existing body of knowledge of science, they can be evaluated to see if they stand up to scrutiny. If a theory does not fit with the rest or contradicts the rest, it has to come up with substantial evidence to be deemed plausible.
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So there is information to possibly back up this theory. However no one was actually there to prove it. No one has it in their personal experience to confirm this event. Even if someone could prove it, and was actually there to see these events take place….. would you believe them?
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See above. If it is internaly consistant and fits with the rest of our knowledge, it is a viable theory. If not, it isn't.
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What if in ten years time they find new evidence to contradict these ideas and discover that apes evolved from the bestiality of humans. Would you believe them then?
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That depends on the evidence. But if the evidence is overwhelming, then sure, why not?
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The body is made up of atoms, …..what because it said so in a book?
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No because the theory makes sense. When you are at school (and study certain subjects) you do practical experiments to confirm what is being taught. You don't just learn facts in a vacuum.
So some of the knowledge we have, we know to be true because we have first hand experience with the phenomena and other things fit in with that logic to make a logical whole.
As long as there are no better theories than the atmos one, then yes, I will believe in atoms but not _just_ because someone tells me it is so. (Unlike religion which is entirely based on dogma).
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The sterile views presented so far, as to try and discredit the original post seem to be mere motivations in stimulating the ego. Fancy intellectual jargon sourced from books containing so called scientific material, which should all be inlayed with a disclaimer: all information in this work is subject to change without further notice.
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Sure. But they are the better theories available right now and that is what counts.
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Anyone can relay information from a book and spit out other peoples facts, because this is the only way they can feel safe in debate.
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Or because the theories and facts are actually understood and as such can be relayed.
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But it takes some one with real Balls to stand up and express a new idea.
An guess what? ….. that’s how all that information that you fill your self entertaining heads with came about.
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Sure but if you havn't done the ground work first, then the new ideas are not much value. They are not bold but rather just foolish.
All that information that you mention didn't come about easily. Scientists and philosophers etc spent alot of time and effort before they came up with them. Unlike some theories that were literaly just dreamed up with minimal effort.
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That’s right ideas like the earth not being flat and the sun not orbiting the earth. Cconcepts that if you apposed, could mean you will end up being burnt at the stake.
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Exactly. Killed by the faithfull and deluded.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 9, 2007 18:35
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On 2007-01-06 18:19, .Telektonon. wrote:
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Your argument that if you don't look for evidence you won't find any goes both ways.
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...... one of the many that actually believes in television as a creditable information source.
‘Oh but it said so on TV’ ……. So it must be true!
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It isn't that simple. It depends on the source, the background info etc etc.
And anyway, the main point of that post was that contrary to shamanatrixx's claim, research has been done about it.
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But saying this TV can be very educational, but it is being able to discriminate on what 'shit' you are programmed with.
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Of course and as you didn't see that program, you can't judge its merit so your response is merely reactionary.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 00:54
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On 2007-01-09 18:35, UnderTow wrote:
Of course and as you didn't see that program, you can't judge its merit so your response is merely reactionary.
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How do we know that you've seen it. You could just made that up to back up your statement. As you can see I try to name my sources so that others could look and make their own judgement. So would you be so kind and tell us the name of the documentary or the journalist who made it? Otherwise your statement is (let me use your expression) just blowing some more hot air.
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Oh.. now it's no so simple! So have you bothered to check the background of Michael Tsarion and Jordan Maxwell work and info? Or you check it only when you like what you hear and than claim the background to be good regardless of what the backround acctualy is?
What have you done in your life that grants you with right to judge people like Michael and Jordan without having any evidence to confront them?
Are you the "chosen child" with a destiny to manage primitive cultures and judge about who is sane and who is insane?
I wonder... are you a human at all?
btw: you never responded to the matter of "primitive" cultures under "advanced" management! Could it be that you're not able to stand behind your (obviously) empty words?
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 02:18
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Too me it looks like the nay sayers are digging them selfs deeper and deeper.
thats the side effect of judging things to quick.
and what about saying, sorry i was wrong, or i did not think it over quite as much as i probably should..
lets not make this a war! you see its the nay sayers that in the end get to taste their own medicine and which they cant stand so they take other messures, often violence or being verbally unpleasant..
Think a while before you react, especially in a discussion such as this...
just a few tips when the "hot air" is blowing like a storm
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 09:12
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Simple question:
How can people know something that science cant?
And I mean really "know" not suspect or think.
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