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A thread that Hos nothing to do with music but all at the same time
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 03:35
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 17:07
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@ sy000321: here you have some hard core evidence about our minds expended in our enviroment, thelepathy and morfic resonance along with many critiques as well as the court rule in favour of Rupert Sheldrake about non fair and non scientific disproval on the National Geography Chanell.
http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html
What is obvios is that most of the members of scientific society are in fact into dogma rather than science. All of the critiques fail to prove him wrong and all experiments can be done as many times as you like at any time you like with same outcome every time. So even in cases like this "science" simpy looks away from the facts and the number of "scientists" willing to "testify" against the valid work of their fellow scientist is amazing. So science is not about learning new stuff... it's more about making general population stupid so that you can claim your scientific membership without gaining any knowledge or making research. It's about being paid for doing nothing... so naturaly false scientists feel an urge to attack anyone who blows their cover by actualy doing some true scientific work.
@ Colin OOOD: as mach as I admire your knowledge of music production I'm equaly sad to see that on the other side you fail to understand such a simple matter. Sometimes along with knowledge people also gain equal amounts of ignorance. It very like the above mentioned "scientists" who invest most of their time and energy trying to disprove the work of others. But the time will come when you will no longer be able to sell that story even to your self. Your ego is rising credits your brain can't cash and you know it... Out of that knowing we get answers like "A deep, resonant tone of 432Hz." I can't help but feel sorry for you and huge waste of potential and talent you fail to reach at this point. I hope that in time you'll change your mind and use the potential that you have beyond any doubt.
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 20:43
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On 2007-01-03 17:07, shamantrixx wrote:
@ sy000321: here you have some hard core evidence about our minds expended in our enviroment, thelepathy and morfic resonance along with many critiques as well as the court rule in favour of Rupert Sheldrake about non fair and non scientific disproval on the National Geography Chanell.
http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html
What is obvios is that most of the members of scientific society are in fact into dogma rather than science. All of the critiques fail to prove him wrong and all experiments can be done as many times as you like at any time you like with same outcome every time. So even in cases like this "science" simpy looks away from the facts and the number of "scientists" willing to "testify" against the valid work of their fellow scientist is amazing. So science is not about learning new stuff... it's more about making general population stupid so that you can claim your scientific membership without gaining any knowledge or making research. It's about being paid for doing nothing... so naturaly false scientists feel an urge to attack anyone who blows their cover by actualy doing some true scientific work.
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i dont believe to be the smartest person "online", but i know enough to give different hipotesis to the "facts" shown in that website...
it's just another guy selling books or getting paid to talk for those "wanting to believe"
about the national geographic channel, i dont watch much TV but they are far from being credible if they show this as science.
there's one point you mentioned about the scientific community and dogma in wich you are partly right.
science is today a institution that defends itself from "new" knowledge.
for instance: cold fusion and anti-gravity devices are both last century discoverys but arent yet well accept, mostly because there were inehrent flaws in the demonstrations and difficulties in proving the experiments.
einstein too had to wait about 40 years until relativity became part of higher learning...
but i think you're not searching in the right places to sustain your arguments.
here's a passage i read today and instinctively remembered of you:
"but certainly for the present age, wich prefers the sign to the signified, the copy to the original, representation to reality, the apperance to the essence...illusion only is sacred, truth profane. Nay, sacredness is held to be be enhanced in proportion as truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of illusion comes to the highest degree od sacrednes" - Feuerbach
you too fell victim to the present age
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tokolosxi
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 05:11
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@shamantrixx......is there any humour in your world of science ?'Cmon bro....Colin was just adding some light to the subject.He obviously used a mic,slapped his dude around,checked the analyzer and that's the result it came up with.....hehehe.Take it easy!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 14:37
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shamantrixx - why do you bother with these people? you dont need to persuade anyone. of course it would be nice if people could open their minds from time to time and just let lose of the conventional ideas.
some people are not open to the deepest things in life, so let them be.
some people want evidence for everything, which sometimes is impossible...
truth will reveal it self, no need to rush.
im a big fan of new thinkers, i dont care about the truth when a new interesting thought comes, sometimes you just got to dream away and think what if! and sometimes just leave it there 
a good question is, can these people be hypnotised by hypnotic music! do we all fall for it, or does your mind need to be receivable. hmm
maybe its like this, before you can hypnotise you need to relax....
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 15:47
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Maybe u just need to be gullible or so discontent with the real world that u have to fly away on trips of fancy?
Theres plenty of amazing objective stuff in the world to look at. People who make shit up r pathetic. They try to deny reality by creating and living in their own. Anyway have a nice day. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 17:19
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On 2007-01-04 15:47, bukboy wrote:
Maybe u just need to be gullible or so discontent with the real world that u have to fly away on trips of fancy?
Theres plenty of amazing objective stuff in the world to look at. People who make shit up r pathetic. They try to deny reality by creating and living in their own. Anyway have a nice day.
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bukboy - we all live in our own reality.
i have not said i take stance on any side of the discussion, i am sometimes easy fooled, and sometimes not. i guess we all take what we read as facts sometimes and try to turn it to a part of us, in my world people have the right to make mistakes, the right to change their minds and explore life from different angles.
too me it seems that you already have a fixed idea about everything, and you dont need much time to make up your mind...
i wonder who are you to judge so fast?
how come it comes so natural to you that things are the way you see them?
and yes i am discontent with the world and how people are.. and yes i love to fly away in my own world, but dont take me for a fool because of that! 
now dont we have a calling here?
make some music 
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 17:33
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i wonder who are you to judge so fast?
how come it comes so natural to you that things are the way you see them?
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i would make the same questions to you.
what you are doing here is not \"new thinking\", you are just following the same errors of the past.
in the same way, is refreshing to read bukboy posts and see there is still a place for reason in this world.
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 20:32
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On 2007-01-04 05:11, tokolosxi wrote:
@shamantrixx......is there any humour in your world of science ?'Cmon bro....Colin was just adding some light to the subject.He obviously used a mic,slapped his dude around,checked the analyzer and that's the result it came up with.....hehehe.Take it easy!
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Actually it was 440Hz but I pitched it down for the purposes of the joke.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 21:45
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On 2007-01-04 17:33, sy000321 wrote:
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i wonder who are you to judge so fast?
how come it comes so natural to you that things are the way you see them?
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i would make the same questions to you.
what you are doing here is not "new thinking", you are just following the same errors of the past.
in the same way, is refreshing to read bukboy posts and see there is still a place for reason in this world.
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nah, i havent judged any of you to be wrong.
i just wonder why i should believe your words more than shamantrixx
i never claimed any new thinking in this thread, all i said is that im a big fan of new thinkers.
"the same errors of the past", - yes im not the only one to follow them.
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MercuryFall
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On 2006-12-28 17:33, bukboy wrote:
That said consciousness can be observed. U can see that some1 is conscious. Its "mind" ur talking about.
"Mind" has occupied philosophers for literally thousands of years. (philosophers are people that are much more logical and intelligent than hippies on average) Doesnt mean theres any reason to think it continues in2 an afterlife.
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Actually, your "mind" is what thinks in yourself, it's the subject of your thoughts, what makes you relive the past and project into the future. It is not you! It is not consciousness!
Consciousness is the awareness of NOW, true identity with all that lives NOW. It's not thought. It's what is behind the thinker. Your true self. What makes you aware of the present, make you love, compassionate.
Consciousness is the awareness of beeing. It can be felt, but not be understood mentally. Thus it's very different from what you call "mind", which may well die with your body.
Consciousness was there before and will always be there, or so I feel ...
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MercuryFall
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On 2006-12-29 15:47, bukboy wrote:
Well my arguments against eastern philosophy are simply -
indian history is what 6000 years old?
chinese? 1000s b4 christ?
What did they get for it? stagnation and farming communities?
Then the french revolution comes around. Says no to god and king, capitalism happens and the world is transformed in hundreds of years by occidental philosophy. Unprecedented levels of prosperity, new technologies. Clear closed and shut case to me which approach is superior.
Im not fighting. Just cant stand mystics.
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I just can't read this and stand still!
French revolution has invented genocide. Congratulation!
Your unprecedented levels of prosperity put the earth on the edge of self destruction. Wow!
Extremely superior approach! Respect! |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 4, 2007 23:34
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 5, 2007 00:21
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Freeflow - ever heard the term dont bullshit a bullshitter?
This hippy crap has the exact same form as pure bull. The devil only lies 5% of the time rings true. Its all constructed in the little cracks between evidence that cant really be seen. I smell a rat whenever I see this approach.
It comes from reading a lot of philosophy papers. Philosophers make gr8 effort to be unambiguously understood, and provide gr8 support for each and every statement, not to mention do their best to look at the benefits (and pitfalls)of the other theory. Mysticism is exactly the opposite.
Just as science discards theories so do I laugh at the next conspiracy/mystical theory to b debunked. The amazing thing is that the same people that make this stuff up will latch on to the next cock and bull story just coz they are drawn to anything that sounds cool. Coolness is a definite sign of fakery.
Do some logic, dont take my word for it. If u had done any logic u would know that the forms of all these arguments commit some fallacy or other. Again and again and again and again until kotch time.
By the By I checked out the telepathy scientist page. The reason Y the scientists dont care about his theory is because he makes no attempt to explain how telepathy works (with evidence). He just says it is.
The measure of the importance of a theory is its usefullness and its exposition of unintuitive insights that were not known about but are true when checked (surprisingly).
Anyway... I can see that it is really pointless to argue. There is not a single doubt in my mind that I am not wrong but it doesnt help to convince any1 with logic that doesnt respect logic in the 1st place.
The world is such a f'n strange place with zillions of things to discover, carefully analyse and learn from. Super - stimulating and real. Dont hide away from it with fake made up crap. |
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