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A thread that Hos nothing to do with music but all at the same time
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.Telektonon.
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Posted : Jan 1, 2007 04:05
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All past events can not be looked upon as rules for the present moment nor future occurrences.
All things are moving and fluctuating... the only thing that is permanent in this universe... is impermanence.
Living in a world of proven science will only bring limitation to your life and your surroundings.
bukboy …. you act like a circling eagle from above, ready to make a kill at any chance. Your words are condescending and creatively inhibiting towards others on this forum. Open your mind not your books.
Smoke some DMT, brother ....and all will be shown.
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 1, 2007 17:33
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Etymology is not a basis for scientific laws.
Language is a game that evolves with the culture of the time. Names themselves only refer to concepts that we choose by convention so dont blame science for bad names. Neither blame science for bad theories that were dissproved. Thats how it works, but in order to work science rests on the concept of falsifiability(the ability to be proven false). Without falsifiability we would never learn anything simply because we would never have a way of telling a working theory from a non working theory.
So much so that the difference between a good and a bad theory (in terms of what u can learn from it) is precisely how easily falsifiable it is.
Talking about stuff that is unfalsifiable (spirituality, god, etc...) is the quickest way to not ever learn anything usefull. Simply because you cant falsify any of it. All religions are constructed precisely in a way such that it is impossible to dissprove them so that the high priests never lose their positions of power over the credulous masses.
And that is Y talking about thingz that are completely airy fairy is pointless. Religion s a virus that exploits human weakness. The teacher gains political power over the neophyte. Anyway let me not comment on religion.
Point is u cannot learn anything from conversation about stuff that is impossible to disprove.
The attitude of ignoring religion in the search for scientific knowledge stems from this little truth.
Of course my words are condescending, Ive got people spreading pointless coolness "knowledge" that only will inhibit the minds of every1 that is gullible enuf to believe any of it.Wasted energy and time on things that cant be known, but would be cool if they existed. Like Santa Clause. Some people just dont swallow the story ever 4 sum reason, precisely coz its crap. |
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l337
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Posted : Jan 1, 2007 18:46
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Makes me think of how much of a legend jesus really is.. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 1, 2007 19:40
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lolol
you're cant seriously count that one as evidence...
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 02:08
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On 2007-01-01 04:05, .Telektonon. wrote:
bukboy …. you act like a circling eagle from above, ready to make a kill at any chance. Your words are condescending and creatively inhibiting towards others on this forum. Open your mind not your books.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 12:06
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this discussion or any other would not be anything without people that disagree or see things from another point of view.
as long as no one goes to extrems and starts badmouthing.
even if the discussion is too corny to even solve its interesting with some discussion.
Happy new year everyone, lets hope we can unveil some mystery, even though im real fine with having mysteries around me, i find it more of a spark than a evil.
but bukboy you might want to solve some, while i feed my imagination from them you feel the urge to solve them,
embrace your self to the world of mystery!
we dont need to solve everything!
i agree to some extent with your last post,
though i think we can learn from everything.
its not good to fix your mind too much.
anyway i like the latest trend with all these discussions, some day we might stumble up on the truth if we continue this exercise 
though maybe there is not one truth, but it would be nice to have something that unite us, ohh i just figured it out.. MUSIC!! 
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 16:50
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On 2007-01-02 12:06, Freeflow wrote:
some day we might stumble up on the truth if we continue this exercise
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That reminds me on something that Winston Curchill use to say:
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
But still... it's nice to see that the same toughts occur from generation to generation. Like A. Einstein said... toughts don't fall on your mind out of nowhere. So I believe that it's a quite old and large tree that provides us with such toughts.
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On 2007-01-02 12:06, Freeflow wrote:
though maybe there is not one truth, but it would be nice to have something that unite us, ohh i just figured it out.. MUSIC!!
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Of course there's just ONE truth. If I take your life the only truth is that I have killed you. Any other "truth" is in fact subjective belife. Maybe I'll hire a good lawyer and present my case as a self defence... maybe I'll be found not guilty but truth does not change because you don't get to live again.
And what is subjective point of view? Isn't that just another way of saying: I don't care for truth and objective facts, I'm more satisfied with my subjective neglection of my own responsibility and motive?
Because the way I see it subjective view comes from overseeing the facts. When the facts are not known than we believe that we're objective, but when you avoid the facts that stand in the way of your ego or motive than you have a subjective point of view. In case that valid argument is made one can easily replace subjective point of view with belief and insist of his point of view even in the presence of the facts. Out of that ladies and gentelman... we have religions. But that has nothing to do with spiritual development of human kind. That's just a way to provide dielectic spin and implant a belief that we all have our truths and that there is no one valid truth.
The abstract human concepts are the only exeption for they are based on abstract impression. How much does a letter "Z" reminds on a thunder or what's more beautifull, the spring or the fall. But we tend to extend subjectiviti from abstract realms to our daily lives, work, court, politics... It's so easy when you have a priviledge for a subjective point of view. But how do you get that priviledge is a question that no one is willing to address now days.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 16:51
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On 2007-01-01 04:05, .Telektonon. wrote:
All past events can not be looked upon as rules for the present moment nor future occurrences.
All things are moving and fluctuating... the only thing that is permanent in this universe... is impermanence.
Living in a world of proven science will only bring limitation to your life and your surroundings.
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I couldn't agree more
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 17:17
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On 2007-01-02 16:50, shamantrixx wrote:
Of course there's just ONE truth. If I take your life the only truth is that I have killed you.
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might not be true. check the "boatman dilemma"
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" hamlet
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 17:27
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shamantrixx wrote: "Of course there's just ONE truth"
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On 2007-01-01 04:05, .Telektonon. wrote:
All past events can not be looked upon as rules for the present moment nor future occurrences.
All things are moving and fluctuating... the only thing that is permanent in this universe... is impermanence.
Living in a world of proven science will only bring limitation to your life and your surroundings.
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shamantrixx wrote:
"I couldn't agree more"
do you find this a little strange? i do.
first you say there is just one truth(so i must think its yours truth) than you agree to that all things are moving a fluctuating, which i also agree to, but it kind of kills the argument that there is "one truth"
do you get my point?
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 20:46
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On 2007-01-02 17:27, Freeflow wrote:
first you say there is just one truth(so i must think its yours truth) than you agree to that all things are moving a fluctuating, which i also agree to, but it kind of kills the argument that there is "one truth"
do you get my point?
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Your point is good but you have overseen one asumption. You "must think it's my truth" that I believe is the only ONE. But I've never stated that I know the Truth. I may know what truth means and how it should "look like" but I don't know what is it.
This very statement could be the only truth:
All things are moving and fluctuating... the only thing that is permanent in this universe... is impermanence.
Our limited perception is not able to give a precise answer so this is the best description we can provide so far.
If something is true that does not include time frame or stability of form. Science is based on this asumptions but the Truth has nothing to do with human concept of time, space, form or meaning.
I hope this cleares the confusion.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Akousma
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 23:38
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...first there was nothing but maybe there was everything..but if there was nothing it was suupossed to B something...so we are here,and we exist , our knoledge is ireelevant,everything u can possibly invent, work, think, considerat, imagine smelletc etc..already exists on the cOSMIC KNOLEDGE,i mean u cant find;invent creat something that wasnt already on the "possibilitys of existence"..so i think that we are and we exist simply for that meaning..existence..everything else is a bonus..and i got psytrance by present..
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 00:15
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What is the sound of 1 cock clapping. Against my thigh. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 00:20
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shamantrixx - yes it did. sorry if i was a bit on the edge, i just got hooked about the "one truth"
truth is probably not a easy thing, and there are lots of parameters that are involved, especially when we must process the information through our brains! hehe...
ill be back tomorrow and see if i can say something clever
laters m8´s
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.Telektonon.
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 03:29
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On 2007-01-03 00:15, bukboy wrote:
What is the sound of 1 cock clapping. Against my thigh.
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Going by your 'Mumbo Jumbo' from above, it sounds like this is the only real science you are good at! |
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