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psylevation
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Posted : Dec 10, 2007 22:22
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Why would it make you think you have too much bass when you're limiting the entire audio spectrum?
If it makes you think you have too much bass then you probably have too much bass.
Use a leveler and turn down the volume so that it's still the same volume coming out of your speakers then all you hear is the effect of the limiter on your mix, not an increase in perceived volume.
If it's distorting at -7db rms then you probably have some issues with your spectrum not being balanced e.g. your bass is too loud....
Anyway I got the Idea from Andy Vax's Video and the Steinberg Mastering Videos...
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 00:05
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but your bass **should** be slightly louder - if you mix to a flat noise spectrum, your records will sound dreadful. This is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about.
I get my ideas from Fletcher-Munson curves.
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psylevation
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 00:30
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Yes I understand that your bass should be louder, but you were saying that it will make your bass sound "too loud" I was only using what you said as an example.
If your mix is "balanced" (not flat) then you should be able to push it against a limiter until you reach -7db RMS without getting distortion from doing so. If not then you may have some problems with your mix, that is all I'm saying, and therefore I am suggesting this is one of many things you can do to test your mix.
Maybe you don't want to do this, and you don't think it will work for you. Okay, not everything works for everyone. Just please try it before you knock it. It is a valid method that others besides myself have found to be a useful "guide" or a "marker" of where you sit when your ears just can't quite tell you whats going on.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 00:36
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fair enough - I'm not trying to knock it - just trying to put forward concerns about it.
People tell me I can come across as short on forums, and sometimes people think I'm being aggressive or dismissive - I'm not, I just like to get straight to the point  So I hope you don't think I'm knocking what you are doing, its just got my brain ticking over, and it goes faster then my ability to type sometimes
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It is a valid method that others besides myself have found to be a useful "guide" or a "marker" of where you sit when your ears just can't quite tell you whats going on.
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Ultimately, this is what worries me I think. If you can't tell what is going on with your ears, then really, you shouldn't be altering it.
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psylevation
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 00:46
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That cool, No worries thanx for being straight forward and honest with me about it and not being afraid to voice your concerns 
I can understand your concern with my statement about whats going on with your ears. I look at it more like...
If I think it's right but I'm not "quite" sure then this is just a little reassurance. Or on the other hand if I think there might be a problem, but I'm not positive, this might tell me something...
The discussion helps me to really think in depth about it more and understand why I really use the method in the first place. So thanx for that 
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MishaCore
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 01:44
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thanks elad, appreciate it man...helped a lot |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 15:03
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psylevation the limiter show you some mixing mistakes ,insteed of using this method as a test at the end, it s logical you ll get better mix with using it while mixing, that is why i said a mastering chain on the master buss ll give you better mix cause you set everything (level ,compression,delay time,reverb ,equing...)according to the fx chain you got on the masterbuss ,this way everything is in control . |
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acidkills
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 15:31
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On 2007-12-10 01:47, SMS wrote:
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On 2007-12-09 19:27, psylevation wrote:
-7db aka "negative" 7 decibels RMS
What I mean is that you put your Volume fader at 0db full scale on the master channel, you place a limiter in the master chain, then you place a RMS meter after it. You then push the track into the limiter until your RMS meter is giving you an average of "-7db". If your track is not distorting then the mix is okay.
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Imho -7 Db is way too much... It´s been a while I don´t make comparison, but I only found this value at some Infected Mushrooms tracks... -9 was a value that was supposed to be more than loud(I never go higher than -9 for my matser, as I really don´t know exactly what I´m doing).
I´ve read many reports about gain reduction, and -4/-5 DB of GR is good range for begginers, even knowing that it´s just a number. Try some limiter/maximzer, push the input/threshold and try reach maximum value of -4 Db for GR. Then check the RMS. I know that it´s all about ears, but when I´ve tried to push harder and reaching higher RMS, it always sounds too much compressed for me(althought ppl like loud compressed music).
So my tip: go for the gain reduction meter. Do not mind so much about RMS, as professional master engineers can do wonders about it. Push the GR to -4 or -5, and if the RMS is still too low, fix the mix.
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So I checked my last track with that RMS buddy and it says
average RMS: -7 dB
absolute peak: -0.10 dB
Is that bad or something? I like it hot.. The mix had dynamics, as well as good frequency spectrum range, all sounds are in separate freq field, no cliping, little sidechained compression, lots eques used with caution..
Main if I have less RMS my tracks sounds quieter than referance tracks I use..
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psylevation
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 02:32
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On 2007-12-11 15:03, PoM wrote:
psylevation the limiter show you some mixing mistakes ,insteed of using this method as a test at the end, it s logical you ll get better mix with using it while mixing, that is why i said a mastering chain on the master buss ll give you better mix cause you set everything (level ,compression,delay time,reverb ,equing...)according to the fx chain you got on the masterbuss ,this way everything is in control .
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I agree using it while mixing would be best. This way you are able to make the necessary adjustments to the mix if necessary during the process. As opposed to reopening and remixing and re-exporting the whole track.
It's sometimes hard to tell what you can do while making psytrance as some things would normally be taboo in a "regular" mixing environment that work well in psytrance.
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