A question regarding dominant sub frequencies in psy-trance
darklight
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 18:24:09
Hi all, this my first post on the forum.
Just a quick question.. do people use either their kick or bassline as their dominant sub frequency wihtin their tunes? EG: do you, say, roll off the kick at 100hz and allow the bassline to do the low frequency work, or perhaps the opposite?
I'm new to Psy-Trance production - moving on from Drum & Bass, which is a whole different ball game in terms of EQing and suchlike. So any help on this would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers, Dan.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 18:35
tune the kick to the bassline and make sure the kick and bass notes are short enough so that they don't over lap. I leave the bass do the work in the subs in the new tunes I am doing.
if the bass and kick coincide, I sidechain the fuck out of the bassline (sub layer) at every kick trigger.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 18:47
in psytrance the kick and bassline share a bit the same frequency range they just don t play at same time , if the kick is longuer and overlap with the first note bassline you can check and look at the waveforme to be sure it dosen t peak (should look aslmost like one waveform between the kick and the first bassline note if there is a big bump when they overlap it s not good in my experience ...you can check all that with listening but sometimes it s more easy to check the wavefome with a oscillator plugin to be sure)
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 20:46
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On 2009-10-07 18:24:09, darklight wrote:
Hi all, this my first post on the forum.
Just a quick question.. do people use either their kick or bassline as their dominant sub frequency wihtin their tunes? EG: do you, say, roll off the kick at 100hz and allow the bassline to do the low frequency work, or perhaps the opposite?
I'm new to Psy-Trance production - moving on from Drum & Bass, which is a whole different ball game in terms of EQing and suchlike. So any help on this would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 20:50
I always try to match the kickrelease with the bassline to keep the sub's 'bounce'. And always sidechain it just in case you'll alter it's position.
Welcome to Isratrance, hope you'll enjoy your stay and contribute to our community.
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darklight
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Thanks for the warm welcome
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On 2009-10-07 18:47, PoM wrote:
in psytrance the kick and bassline share a bit the same frequency range they just don t play at same time
Of course! This makes sense.. if the kick and bass are hitting similar frequencies it doesn't matter, as they are triggering at different times. Just me with my D&B head on.. I need to shift my ideas about dominant frequencies and the overall mixdown, obviously!
Disco Hooligan: I'm using Ableton's EQ8, so the slope is standard for the lo-cut available on it.. I can't really give an exact measure. Visually it's pretty steep though. Although it's probably irrelevant now, unless I need to cut out some uneeded rumble from the bass!
Thanks for the advice.. I'll more than likely post an audio sample of a kick/bass groove I'm working on in the workshop sometime soon.
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 23:29
Just try and squeeze it all together the best you can hehe..
anyway it really depends on what you are doing..
Im sure you will sort it out..
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 04:36
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On 2009-10-07 18:47, PoM wrote:
in psytrance the kick and bassline share a bit the same frequency range they just don t play at same time , if the kick is longuer and overlap with the first note bassline you can check and look at the waveforme to be sure it dosen t peak (should look aslmost like one waveform between the kick and the first bassline note if there is a big bump when they overlap it s not good in my experience ...you can check all that with listening but sometimes it s more easy to check the wavefome with a oscillator plugin to be sure)
how long need to be t kick? 1/3?
supergroover
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 11:18
Hey Darklight welcome to the forum.
Don't shift your ideas too much or you 'll end up making more of the stuff we already have Should actually be very interesting to learn some more about dnb production ideas. How does bass/kick combo work in dnb? And any recommendations for a good dnb production forum?
Good luck!
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 11:22
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On 2009-10-08 11:18, supergroover wrote:
Hey Darklight welcome to the forum.
Don't shift your ideas too much or you 'll end up making more of the stuff we already have Should actually be very interesting to learn some more about dnb production ideas. How does bass/kick combo work in dnb? And any recommendations for a good dnb production forum?
Good luck!
Many times i thought that a good fusion would be psychedelic trance and DnB.. some psyDnB! thats what i am looking for
This is a Extended remix i did on a 1min clip i got from a friend who did it in reason, so i exported and made a longer track in cubase...
its energetic DnB with a psy touch maybe.. hehe
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 13:47
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On 2009-10-08 04:36, gabmecr wrote:
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On 2009-10-07 18:47, PoM wrote:
in psytrance the kick and bassline share a bit the same frequency range they just don t play at same time , if the kick is longuer and overlap with the first note bassline you can check and look at the waveforme to be sure it dosen t peak (should look aslmost like one waveform between the kick and the first bassline note if there is a big bump when they overlap it s not good in my experience ...you can check all that with listening but sometimes it s more easy to check the wavefome with a oscillator plugin to be sure)
how long need to be t kick? 1/3?
as long as it sound good , it depends the bassline groove too ,for example a pumping bassline with the first note after the kick with very low velocity sound thin with a 1/16 kick to me but it might depends the sources.. really no rules as long as it don t clash.i used kick from maybe less than 100 ms to 165 ms with success
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 15:51
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On 2009-10-08 11:18, supergroover wrote:
How does bass/kick combo work in dnb? And any recommendations for a good dnb production forum?
typically, the bass is always lower than the kick, providing most of the low end. the kicks are punchy and more percussive. since they occupy different frequency ranges, you don't really need to worry as much about them coinciding (they typically will). so the bass has time to evolve and be as deep as you want (no 1/16 or 1/8 "limitation"). there's also typically tons of layering and/or resampling going on with bass. the sub layer for the really low end and then several layers to get that morphing evolving effect (reeses and such).
