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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:31
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HandA
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I dont have to come up with a constructive solution mate. You started the topic.
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I did not 
I tried to give some constuctive ideas to the one who did though.
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But if you want constructive solution from me then ok.
Start buy some music people.
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Very constructive, never heard that one before.
Sorry dude, doesn't seem to work to tell people that they have to order from the shop after listening to 1 minute previews, wait for days before it arrives, pay 90% to distibutors and shops, when the can get it now for free.
Don't fool yourself, there is very little money in CD sales for the lables and artists so it a bad way to support them. Just send them a donation.
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You always seem to forget the high production costs. What about them? Who's going to pay for those costs? It's a business like everything else. And without any money NO MUSIC !
I seriously doubt any of you would say yes to go down 50% in salery just because your Boss think it's a cool idea
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Production costs, you are joking right...?
Without money no music...??
I don't know if I should cry or laugh about that statement. Money been commonly used for a few hundered years. Music is would not cease to exist if money disappeared again.
This very scene we are discussing was not born out of money. It managed fine without for many years.
And no I wouldn't like my boss to cut my salary, but my boss is not a distributor or lable or record buyer.
I prefer to make my money working for companies like BT or PriceWaterhouseCoopers.
They don't bicker about a few $1000 dollars here or there, unlike the poor freaks in the trance scene. Them I'm glad to give a discount of 50%  |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:35
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that´s it spindrift!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:37
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and i´m not necessarily talking about "no money at all". a dj or liveact can get a bit pocket money to be able to buy cds or synths or something related to the thing, BUT NOT TO MAKE A LIVING IN GENERAL... |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:55
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LOl psydo hippes strike again... well have it your way oh so poor "real" trancers!!!
I am done debating with people that think they know how this scene was build. On no money - LOL - what a joke dude. Without money this scene would not exist! And that people are so poor in this scene (they dont even have money to travel and to buy drugs and to sit and be smart asses behind their expensive computer screens). Use your money on some more drugs, blank CD'r's and f*** the artists and labels some more.. At the end of the day you have to look yourself in the mirror. I am sure your the kind of people that would even f*** over your family and friends in order to save a few bucks You waste my time kiddos. Pseudo hippies are a joke Save the world according to my haizy thoughts and give me money for my drug habbits.. Kill all commercial enterprises and the real world! |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 18:05
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Well HandA,
Don't know how I would describe you.
Maybe total and utter miserable winching twat.
I really don't have time for you either and be really glad if you did something more useful with your time than posting your sad and depressing views here.
Make some money with your excellent webdesign skills instead so you become a happy person sometime maybe. |
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 18:33
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HandA, you speak about constructive solutions and I haven't seen any constructive posts of yours (not only in this thread).
You are one of the people always complaining.
You don't even seem to follow the threads properly, or check out what you are critizising. Again you are making a comment which is just not true and shows that you fail to look.
Then you are comeing in here, putting a judgement on people, making a poor generalization by calling them pseudo hippies and discribing them as bad drugusers, instead of being constructive and saying something what has actually to do with the topic.
I think the other people made much more interesting and reasonable comments here than you.
And you are behaving like a kid. |
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nahimoff
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 19:53
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pointy/spindrift: my job as a label is to try to be everywhere possible, if you would look carefully you could see that on audijelly for example you have the option to dl for 320 k quality, moreover there are many more sites which are in the process of building and trying now like jetgroove.com, musicdock.com, and others and it will all take time,
Its no point blaming me if the website decide to sell for 192k and ppl buy, our music will be presented eventually in all options from 192-320 and even one website offer to DL wav formats so if you really want to DL for money you will be able to.
The problem is that not too many labels are joining this thing from some kind of fear, but our philosophy is this: anyway our releases are uploaded maybe 1 hour after we sold the first cds so its there anyway, and if there are ppl who really cant afford a whole cd like some of us in our poor pseudo world (sorry HANDA im with tears in my eyes from your decleration of independence before)
and still want to contribute to their loved labels and artists, will be able to do it easy even with paypal and without a credit card in some places so..
There is no right and wrong here sometimes its one big grey!!
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 21:25
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Sorry nahimoff, if it sounded as if I was blaming you for what the sites are doing. That was not my intention.
Still it was your choice to put your tracks up there and with that you are somehow agreeing to what they are doing.
It is good, that you are trying to increase the income of the label through mp3 sales, it's the right track I think. It's just that these sites imo are not the best solution for it.
Their main interest is to sell as many tracks as possible, not really caring for quality. There are too many different artists and styles featured, so you can't get an overview. For me as a customer not very appealing, sorry.
edit: I looked on audiojelly as well again and can't see anything about 320k. Maybe if you log in? Well, anyway it's not obvious to the customer.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 21:26
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nahimoff,
Looked on the audiojelly site again, and all i can see is this:
Q. What bit rate are the downloads?
All downloads from audiojelly are mp3s at the rate of 192kbps. We use industry standard software to encode and provide the highest quality.
And what do they charge for 320k if they charge £1 for 192k?
Anyway I tell you what my problem with those sites is.
When I get to the front page, I don't see any act's I like. When I go to the trance directory I don't see any act's I like. And now I lost my lust for shopping.
They are to general to make for a nice experience for the user.
And what function will the lables have.
On most of those sites artists can submit their work without a lable involved. People who is buing from them will stop bothering with lables. Who cares what label it is when you buy track by track online. They will make labels obsolete if you rely on them.
I like not to have to browse thru loads of individual artists sites to find the music, but sure don't feel like browsing thru any of the sites you mentioned either. So let's stick with having labels around.
I made some more posts about the same subject in this thread: http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/43868/forum/41
which I don't feel I should double post here. |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 17:25
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i´m dreaming of wirikuta/ psyshop/ chaosunlimited and saikosounds selling all the music they sell on cd also as mp3.
it doesn´t necessarily have to be for download only. you could mail them your choice (if you´re a modem user) and they burn you the tracks you´ve chosen out of several cds...
as this is an alternative scene the labels could join an exclusive psychedelic market and allow the sellers to sell single (well listed for the billing) tracks of their releases...
i know that it is a matter of media laws, but i think that our scene shouldn´t participate at this judicial bullshit of the commercial capitalist world... |
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krelm
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 17:42
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On 2004-09-09 17:25, deejayridoo wrote:
as this is an alternative scene the labels could join an exclusive psychedelic market and allow the sellers to sell single (well listed for the billing) tracks of their releases...
i know that it is a matter of media laws, but i think that our scene shouldn´t participate at this judicial bullshit of the commercial capitalist world...
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Actually, there are no laws preventing this from happening. It's just a matter of the stores implementing the interface and working out the financial details with the labels. What you are dreaming of *is* being done with most other genres of music. Just not with psytrance, unfortunately.
But I do think it is just a matter of time.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 20:42
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I still don't understand why anyone would pay for an mp3 when they can get it for free.
*waiting patiently for .wav purchasing services somewhere*
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 21:10
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Basilisk:
If you design a more user friendly service than DC++ etc people do pay. Have you heard of iTunes??
And there is a lot of people in the forums talking about supporting artists.
I sell FLAC on my site, because why use space and bandwidth when you can drop 30-40% and still have a bit by bit copy in the end? |
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 21:11
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@basilisk: Because many people who download mp3 do actually have a conscious and would like to support the artists, but they don't want to pay for a whole CD on which there are only two tracks they like.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 13:58
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the fact that you buy only single tracks would also be much more fair because you will have great differences of downloads/ orders between the different artists that formerly appeared on a compilation.
like this the fake ones who are only on the compilation because they´re friends with the label manager/ dj will fade away and not sell anything.
it´s much fairer for the artists who produce good tracks - this way they sell much more...
QUALITY CONTROL GETS MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT AND THEREFORE BETTER. |
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