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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 01:39
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On 2004-09-07 23:35, DJ Bim wrote:
This moment the market breakes down more and more about the copying and only 10% of or szene will buy permanent a cd.
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if the MP3 D/L will coast a lot less then buying a cd+shipping....i think there will be more than 10% from the scene that will buy but still not everyone ofcourse.....
the ones that have the money and will,can still order the jewl box with the art and slip etc.
abut the quality issue....it been discussed many times and most artists and listeners will agree that sample rate of 320 is unidentifiable to the human ear(yeah yeah we know some of u have dog like hearing and u will feel the difrence...i guess this would be the time in life that your "gift" will screw u over...)
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dNETv2
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 07:23
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Labels should just actually find artists that will produce cd's that are listenable 2 or 3 years later. Not to jump on the goa vs nu psy war, but the better quality of the release, the more people will want to own the REAL release. Also I think nice booklets and packaging is an eye catcher. For example... Aes Dana will be putting out his new cd this month with a 16 page booklet of art. Now that's cool!
I'm gonna use Twisted Records as an example here for a moment... These guys don't release that many cds. Maybe 1 every few months, if that... and I think this is good! Cause they are HIGH QUALITY. They retain their value and interest much longer than the ussual.Rather than labels wasting money on a hit of the month compilation, why not spend a few months, or even a year (!), compiling a compilation that is true peice of art? Maybe then, you could be one of those releases that gets re-issued a few years down the line cause it's THAT good. I imagine these labels lose a lot of money cause they mass produce (sort of) these cds but they are dated the next month. Then they go right back and do it again!
I haven't bought a cd, nor downloaded anything in quite sometime... Just because I know the music that is being released right now will be cool for a week and then be paper weight, cause it doesn't keep its interest for much longer than that.
Just my thoughts... |
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 11:33
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On 2004-09-07 23:35, DJ Bim wrote:
"Also mp3 will never have the same qualitie than a cd."
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Well Bim, that is hardly an argument, since for most of the listeners the quality is obviously fine enough.
It is contradictory to complain about people downloading and then say 'we don't offer mp3 or flac files for sale, because it is not the same quality as a CD'.
To me it looks like the labels are 'stuck in a time warp' here.
Try new possibilities! Don't complain and be negative about something you never even tried. |
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Biotouch (dj Loko)
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 13:44
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 14:16
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I still haven't had enough about this subject as you might have noticed.
I just can't come to grips with how any label that haven't tried to sell downloads can complain, especially since no other lable tried yet.
And ok, you have clickatrack, but I for one wouldn't buy a 192k mp3 (i guessed on the filsize on their site, they don't state what resolution they use!!) if I have the option of getting 320k for free.
If you have a better service than what is available for free people pay, if the free service is better that what you can provide, ppl choose the free service. Elementary.
So I decided to post this thread in the promotional section: http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/43868/forum/41
Maybe it can encourage some lables to at least try out if they can make it work at all. |
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nahimoff
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 15:03
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 15:40
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All of those sites fail to provide clear info about what resolutions you can purchase.
The only site I can actually find the info on is trackitdown. And there as well it's only 192k.
Again, I would never buy low-res if I can find hi-res for free. And it seems to me that most the customers I get is DJ's that demand at least 320k mp3. Up to 192k you can offer for free to enable customers to properly evaluate the products.
And those sites is to general to me, too much different styles. It's like going to a massive HMV store to look for psychedelic trance. Sure there is some, but I prefer a specialist shop.
A lable featuring a select style would have much more appeal to me.
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 16:06
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I doubt there are much more the labels and artists can do than releasing the music on CD and vinly and try to make people buy via download services. All these boring endless topics about what the labels and artists should do to improve their situation are pointless. Why not come up with constuctive solutions? As long as people only think about what they can get for free without giving anything back nothing will improve the situation.- It's as simple as that. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 16:08
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Why not come up with constuctive solutions?
Whats yours then? |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 16:18
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I think a lot of the people are pirating, because they don't agree with high prizes and don't like to pay for a CD when there are only two or three tracks on it they like.... |
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exactly the case for my "consumer behavior"
i don´t want to support musicians i don´t like at all only because there are three masterpieces on the cd... i want to support only the people i respect a lot and love what they do!!!
therefore i´m the first to buy tons of single tracks, because i do know exactly what i love and i don´t need no preselection of other people who often release crap only because they want to make their friends happy and famous 
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exactly! underground music doesn´t need to use the usual ways of commercial distribution and music industry!!!
and, i´m sure that if we underground musicians do it for fun as it has to be in an independent scene, we´ll earn even more "pocket money" than today and in the past...
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There is many things lables could do to justify their existance.
The most logical would be to aim for a cut of where the real money is: live gig's.
Put more work into promoting the artists and charge some 20% of the gig fees.... |
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totally agree with that also. making money with big festivals once or twice a year is enough pocket money for a hobby music scene and the labels. the rest of the year is left for real underground events.
WE HAVE TO INVENT OUR OWN WAY TO TRADE AND HANDLE THINGS WHICH MUST DIFFER CLEARLY FROM THE CAPITALIST ECONOMY!!!
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...Cause they are HIGH QUALITY. They retain their value and interest much longer than the usual. Rather than labels wasting money on a hit of the month compilation... |
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this bullshit is a consequence of the lack of alienation from the capitalist way to organize economy...
and it is also a consequence of childish behavior of most djs who seem to need to be "soooo coool to HAVE the latest releases... blahblahblah..."
THOSE QUESTIONS ARE VERY VERY IMPORTANT FOR THWE FUTURE OF OUR UNDERGROUND WITH ITS ALTERNATIVE WAY OF LIVING.
there is nothing alternative at all in using drugs or gonig on an ego trip (beeing cool, up to date, etc.)
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 16:21
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@nahimoff: these sites are chargeing between $1 and £1,5 per track in a low resolution format. Of course nobody will pay that.
You have to provide a better service than your pirat competitors to have a chance.
These sites are not a better service, they are a rip off. |
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HandA
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 16:42
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On 2004-09-08 16:08, Spindrift wrote:
Why not come up with constuctive solutions?
Whats yours then?
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I dont have to come up with a constructive solution mate. You started the topic. I did not  I just raised my voice about the endless blaming the labels and artists about the current solution instead of looking back on the people that fail to buy the music.
But if you want constructive solution from me then ok.
Start buy some music people. Thats the only thing that will improve the situation. Without sales nothing will change. And then even 1000 special psytrance online shops with high quality downloads wont change a thing!
And someone mentioned the price on music. Yes it's too expensive but do you serioulsy think that even if the music was reduced to 50% that people would buy it if they could get it for free? I don't delude myself about that fact. The answer is a BIG NO!
It's not the label and artist faults that the shops and distibutors raise the prices 200-300%
You always seem to forget the high production costs. What about them? Who's going to pay for those costs? It's a business like everything else. And without any money NO MUSIC !
I seriously doubt any of you would say yes to go down 50% in salery just because your Boss think it's a cool idea
So why should artists go down in "salery" (royalty) just because you think they make too much money? Which they dont - they make ZERO money as the situation is right now! |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:12
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You always seem to forget the high production costs. What about them? Who's going to pay for those costs? It's a business like everything else. And without any money NO MUSIC !
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i don´t see it like this. our psychedelic music is hobby music, it´s fun, it´s anti commercial because it is embedded into GOA, the state of mind of creating an independent underground movement opposing music industry and the "plastic world".
therefore IT IS NOT A BUSINESS AS HIPHOP, OR EVEN WORSe, POP crap!!!!!!!!!
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So why should artists go down in "salery" (royalty) just because you think they make too much money? Which they dont - they make ZERO money as the situation is right now!
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they cannot expect to earn a living out of an alternative underground scene.
if they want to make money with musicmaking, no problem, they can try to make mainstream music (cheesy house, cheap standard trance/ techno, egoed out hip hop, disco music/ rock/ grunge etc.)
but i fear that they are not "good" enough for that (maybe it is a problem of weak people who only have the chance to get in into the tolerant psytrance scene, because we´re soo stopid to accept every broken soul and doing so, have psytrance sell out...
"real goa´s" wouldn´t quit making good spiritual music just because they cannot make money with it, so there will allways be good music around, as long as the people start to THINK!!!!!!!!!!
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s0ft
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:20
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On 2004-09-07 20:36, Spindrift wrote:
There is many things lables could do to justify their existance.
The most logical would be to aim for a cut of where the real money is: live gig's.
Put more work into promoting the artists and charge some 20% of the gig fees.
And if at least one label had instant digital delivery there could be complains that it's not working. But until you tried you don't know.
I just put up such a system myself, but I'm not running a lable as such. But offering 128k mp3's for free downloading I had many people requesting hi-res downloads.
Don't think it will be a great business, but a lable which already has many followers could probably sell a few downloads.
Combining CD sales internet downloads and promotion/management should work out ok if done well I believe.
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i have been saying that for a long time, it seems like common sence to me. People arnt willing to pay for the music they like, but are willing to pay for live gigs. So, wouldnt that suggest that the money is not in record sales, but in ticket sales? Perhaps merchendise would be a good way to make up for money lost in mp3s.
in conclusion, we need more and better live acts. |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 8, 2004 17:22
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we need musicians who do it for fun and who are thankful to be able to have wonderful mystical experiences and to expereience an alternative setting of respect and peace. therefore we must all have a regular job (50 or 70 %) besides in order to save the psychedelic culture and be able to do only what we want and not what the market or the fucking mainstream wants - they already have enough room to do their boring thing... |
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