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SecretHero
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 04:36
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Hello Folks,
I am planing to get a mixer but I wasnt sure which one to go for (since i havent had much experience and taste with mixing desks).
I believ mixing in the box (PC or laptop) does not give that warm and richness.
I am looking for Mackie either Onxy or VLZ3 series..Especially Onxy 1220 or VLZ3 1202.
I am also considerin 16 channels ones from both series.
Any thoughts?
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astrotec
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 04:50
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i suppose if your looking for quality get a SSL or don't bother.
and you can mix successfully just with a computer, if you do it right. |
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 07:58
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Well, mackie will not give you so much warmth...
From my experience it sound is pretty transparent
If you want analog, get ssl like said above 
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Shilayeh
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 14:59
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as the r.rebel said: the mackieS you mentioned above_ will probably not add/twist the sound the way you'd like to have or expect it.. also any other brand with their new stuff in this price range won't do this..imo/guessing/quite sure about it-
but yeah- i would always prefer to have a hardware fader under my fingers 
it's up to you- if you also prefer a real fader then go for it..
if you are looking for the special sound and you are quite happy with your software results till now_ then i'd save the money' going on saving money > till i could buy one of those in the lowest price range
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AvS
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 15:44
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Yeah a Mackie desk wont do any good. Infact im shure it will do more harm than good.
If you want to mix analog then you will have to pay lots of money if it has the pay off. Personally i would find an old neve desk like the Neve Melbourne.
But imo mixing with an analog mixer is not worth the amount of work and money it takes, UNLESS you also have some great outbaord gear to mix through.
But still its alot of hard work with all the routing and recording.
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SecretHero
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 09:33
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definitely, SSL sounds great but the budget that i have can only get me a 14-16 chn mixer... ($1200-$2000)i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
hoping a mixer will help improve my mix.
yes..i do have outboard gear(NL, Virus TI, Roland MC-505) running through Motu 828 MK II which has 8 analog in and outs.
I dont use any softsyths.
thanks again.
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astrotec
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 11:52
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On 2007-07-23 09:33, SecretHero wrote:
i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
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and you think a mackie will change that? the desks your going on about aren't worth the time of day....... if it were an old mackie that would be better but not by much.
like AVS said get a second hand Neve or an Amek desk if you want quality.
and then you'd still need a quality convertor to match such as lavry blue or a high end digidesign converter. |
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AvS
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 12:25
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On 2007-07-23 09:33, SecretHero wrote:
i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
hoping a mixer will help improve my mix.
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It wont. If your mixes sounds dull on the pc thats definetly NOT the PC's fault.
I bet 90% of the great sounding psy tracks out there are mixed on a computer if not more.
Btw. I think SSL is kinda hyped. Shure its a standart in the music business but that doesnt mean it the best. Far from it.
But anyway it sounds like you just want to experiment with a mixer wich is cool but just dont expect to get better results.
Since you have som hardware synths you could try to just get a decent digital mixer plus some good compressors, and instead of recording you synths to pc and apply fx and comps, then mix them all on the mixer and use outboard fx and dynamics.
The reason why i say digital mixer is so that you can store your settings.
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 13:12
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i don t know if it worth the price but check some chanel strips like the Universal Audio LA-610 or 6176 but it s mono, or get a eq or a compressor or a preamp for the money you have you ll have better result than a desk |
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SecretHero
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 22:31
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On 2007-07-23 09:33, SecretHero wrote:
i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
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and you think a mackie will change that? the desks your going on about aren't worth the time of day....... if it were an old mackie that would be better but not by much.
like AVS said get a second hand Neve or an Amek desk if you want quality.
and then you'd still need a quality convertor to match such as lavry blue or a high end digidesign converter.
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Thanks…No…I am not specifically looking for a Mackie. As I said with the budget that I have I am considering others too. Even digital mixers that AvS suggested.
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On 2007-07-23 09:33, SecretHero wrote:
i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
hoping a mixer will help improve my mix.
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It wont. If your mixes sounds dull on the pc thats definetly NOT the PC's fault.
I bet 90% of the great sounding psy tracks out there are mixed on a computer if not more.
Btw. I think SSL is kinda hyped. Shure its a standart in the music business but that doesnt mean it the best. Far from it.
But anyway it sounds like you just want to experiment with a mixer wich is cool but just dont expect to get better results.
Since you have som hardware synths you could try to just get a decent digital mixer plus some good compressors, and instead of recording you synths to pc and apply fx and comps, then mix them all on the mixer and use outboard fx and dynamics.
The reason why i say digital mixer is so that you can store your settings.
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Thanks for the advice AvS…You are right. My mix has problems too and I am working hard on it to resolve it Any suggestions on digital mixers?
Thanks again!
SH
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piXan
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 06:38
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On 2007-07-23 09:33, SecretHero wrote:
i am not quite sure about mixing right in the PC...it always sounds dull.
hoping a mixer will help improve my mix.
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you are simply not doing it right.
get steinberg internal mixing tutorial dvd..
its worth cheking it out. internal mixing can be warm and punchy and whatever u want, just know how. |
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Hex Osirus
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 18:10
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Mike A
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 18:27
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1. Getting a hardware mixer won't make your sound any better. If your tracks sound like crap, they will still sound like crap.
2. If you still want a mixer, and don't have money for Neve or SSL, try getting a Soundcraft mixer. They're cool.
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spinalpuppet
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Posted : Jul 28, 2007 21:44
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i think you would get alot more bang for the buck getting a uad or powercore card just to have warmer plugins to work with. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 29, 2007 08:29
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What's with all the anti Mackie campaign here recently? Are they the new Behringer now? The last time i checked they made quite good decks.
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