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a psychedelic self indulgent critic (very uninteresting topic)

maux
Mauxuam

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 01:20
yeah...I love to see censorship in action...I think is a very unpsychedelic attitude...
so...the topic "is Chillout the boring soundtrack for spoiled people?" has been locked because uninteresting (375 views in less than a week!!!) before we could actually go a bit deeper...I try again...
first of all many excuses to all of you who felt offended by my previous topic...I didn't mean to be aggressive and unpolite...just a bit ironic and provocative...
then I may say something about it...
I feel that that the self critic should start from us music producers...who are the ones really spoiled...anyone nowadays can have in his bedroom a studio eclosed in a little box more powerful than the studios where pink floyd recorded their masterpieces of psychedelic music...under fingertips hundreds of channels, with almost limitless effects and virtual reverbs and virtual synths that could fill up an hangar if they were hardware...for sure nowadays the average quality of production of music is far better than few years ago...but often not beacause the producers got better skills...but because many of them just use pre made sample libraries and presets banks (made by pro sound designers)...copying chanell strips...playing lego...and become very lazy...not experimenting anymore...this way they also spoil the listener who get used to amazing sounds and forget to listen to the music...and don't even consider anymore music done with lower levels productions...I think that many times the more interesting ideas are coming from music that actually doesn't sound so good and perfect...because the producer is more busy in experimenting new forms and ways...and he is offcourse making mistakes on his way...this is why most of the times the first albums of an artist (in any style) are more exiting and fresh than the later production...even if they don't sound as good...all the energy that was put before in creating a new style is afterward put in refining and polishing old ideas...everybody do it...but remember that is just a cycle...and I feel that all the chillout scene (psychedelic and unpsychedelic) is arriving at the edge of the cliff...and start to be off course boring...human brain is quite fast in reconizing repeating formulas and patterns and is almost restless (in spite of ipnotizing therapies) in search of new ideas and aromas...expecially in music...
we may continue here to self indulge in it...but I guess we going to die as those dinosaurs of trance---bom
vector_0
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 03:20
i have to disagree. I understand where you're coming from in pointing out how electronic music is becomming easier to produce, but that's just raising the bar for everyone else to do unbelieveably amazing stuff that will 1-up the artists that inspired them. Also, I can agree that a lot of artists seem to have little ideas and just stick to a formula, but I'm certain that psychill is still an infant....the possibilities of where this loosely defined genre can go are endless
MARGHERITA
Master Margherita

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 13:29
Maux im whit you!!!

When i goo mix in partys, more or less all the "chill out" djs play the same music, & tracks,, that boring for me & not very own style for a serious chill dj.
I stop to mix the big names of "psy chill" , or i try to play a track going out if the usual stuff.

For chance we have a lot of composers into this world, so now im searching good music for my taste (& for mix into a "chill out" floor) everywhere.

Check this artists for exemple :

Church of Hed - Baba Zula - Gnawa n'Joun - Fourier Wave Device - Rena Jones - Terra Ambient - Rare Earth - Dr Flake - Glen Velez - Yat Kah - High Tone - Palyrria - Eric Truffaz - Naab - Imothep - Nature Balance - Amira Saqati - Tomzen - Divina Metamorphosa - Chacmool - Touffik Farroukh - Lideres Band - Beatlab:Digital feat Piri - Cheb I Sabbah - Plump Djs - Indagladias.

A few are old,. a few news ,, but they are all good,, they have amazing tracks,, not all the tracks, but , just the good quantity for my house & dj sets.


maybe you need goo search good music out of your usual network.

Peace           http://mastermargherita.com
Justin Chaos
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 15:29
Quote:

On 2005-11-15 01:20, maux wrote:
(375 views in less than a week!!!)


Yeah well...quite far yest from the ''I hate people thread'', of course with such titles you're gonna get attention.
          My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them.
Rui Ferreira
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 15:43
Quote:

On 2005-11-15 13:29, MARGHERITA wrote:
Maux im whit you!!!

When i goo mix in partys, more or less all the "chill out" djs play the same music, & tracks,, that boring for me & not very own style for a serious chill dj.
I stop to mix the big names of "psy chill" , or i try to play a track going out if the usual stuff.

For chance we have a lot of composers into this world, so now im searching good music for my taste (& for mix into a "chill out" floor) everywhere.

Check this artists for exemple :

Church of Hed - Baba Zula - Gnawa n'Joun - Fourier Wave Device - Rena Jones - Terra Ambient - Rare Earth - Dr Flake - Glen Velez - Yat Kah - High Tone - Palyrria - Eric Truffaz - Naab - Imothep - Nature Balance - Amira Saqati - Tomzen - Divina Metamorphosa - Chacmool - Touffik Farroukh - Lideres Band - Beatlab:Digital feat Piri - Cheb I Sabbah - Plump Djs - Indagladias.

A few are old,. a few news ,, but they are all good,, they have amazing tracks,, not all the tracks, but , just the good quantity for my house & dj sets.


maybe you need goo search good music out of your usual network.

Peace




...as far as i can see you are more into world ethnic, dub psychedelic fusion stuff, but its curious why people have this stigma concerned to playing tunes of big names in the scene.
For instance i've eard loads of people in these forum saying that they simply don't play shpongle and Liquid sound Design releases because everybody does...i don't think that's a problem, if those guys are doing wonderfull music and if you like it, so why not playing, as long as it fits in your feelings in the moment you are mixing chillout, so why not?...Those guys also provided great emotions and colour to the music scene, and music for me it's all about that!Emotions, dreams colours, taking me to other worlds.... But most important is to follow your intuition, and not really following cliches, cause if you like music for real, i think cliches doesn't really exist...Even the big names in the scene are little drops in the vast ocean of music, and playing their tunes will not really affect my state of criativity...
Rui Ferreira
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 16:07
oops i guess my last post was a bit of topic


Hey maux now i understand what you meant with your topic "is Chillout the boring soundtrack for spoiled people?", but you should have take it a bit more easy mate, cause most of the people in these forum listen and are devoted to the chillout music for some time and desearve a bit more respect
well i tend to agree with some aspects you pointed in your post and also believe that some producers nowadays are using standard formulas and becoming a bit square in the music they are making, but i also believe that its not easy to develop a new style with new ideas in the music...it might take a bit more time than what we all wished.

Cheers mate!
blueOrb
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 16:41
well it may have become boring for u man ...but every once in a while (very often for the matter) i still stumble across great tracks and awesome ideas ....maybe u just focus too much on the bad things that u tend to miss out on the good vibes ....

and its kinda a universal thing in music ....first a style is born ,then it gets famous, along with fame it attracts more and more artists and more listeners too ,finally it all goes commercial and boring but while all this is going on a continous evolution keeps happening in the background with more styles being fused and formed with new artists and new ideas and yeah new sample libraries

i may not have put that in an apt way but i hope u get my point ....

          New mixes on
http://soundcloud.com/blueorb

Older Mixes on
http://blueorb.podomatic.com/
blueOrb
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 17:13
wont it be better if u praise the artists u like ....maybe open a few threads to discuss their music, instead of ranting ....sorry but please dont take this personally           New mixes on
http://soundcloud.com/blueorb

Older Mixes on
http://blueorb.podomatic.com/
MARGHERITA
Master Margherita

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 18:27
Quote:

On 2005-11-15 15:43, Rui Ferreira wrote:
..., but its curious why people have this stigma concerned to playing tunes of big names in the scene.



"For myself" is only because this artists/tracks are to much mixed into a party, & not because they make bad tracks.
I have no "stigmates" ,im a free man searching into all musicals cultures.

cheers
vector_0
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 20:02
Quote:

On 2005-11-15 15:43, Rui Ferreira wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-11-15 13:29, MARGHERITA wrote:
Maux im whit you!!!

When i goo mix in partys, more or less all the "chill out" djs play the same music, & tracks,, that boring for me & not very own style for a serious chill dj.
I stop to mix the big names of "psy chill" , or i try to play a track going out if the usual stuff.

For chance we have a lot of composers into this world, so now im searching good music for my taste (& for mix into a "chill out" floor) everywhere.

Check this artists for exemple :

Church of Hed - Baba Zula - Gnawa n'Joun - Fourier Wave Device - Rena Jones - Terra Ambient - Rare Earth - Dr Flake - Glen Velez - Yat Kah - High Tone - Palyrria - Eric Truffaz - Naab - Imothep - Nature Balance - Amira Saqati - Tomzen - Divina Metamorphosa - Chacmool - Touffik Farroukh - Lideres Band - Beatlab:Digital feat Piri - Cheb I Sabbah - Plump Djs - Indagladias.

A few are old,. a few news ,, but they are all good,, they have amazing tracks,, not all the tracks, but , just the good quantity for my house & dj sets.


maybe you need goo search good music out of your usual network.

Peace




...as far as i can see you are more into world ethnic, dub psychedelic fusion stuff, but its curious why people have this stigma concerned to playing tunes of big names in the scene.
For instance i've eard loads of people in these forum saying that they simply don't play shpongle and Liquid sound Design releases because everybody does...i don't think that's a problem, if those guys are doing wonderfull music and if you like it, so why not playing, as long as it fits in your feelings in the moment you are mixing chillout, so why not?...Those guys also provided great emotions and colour to the music scene, and music for me it's all about that!Emotions, dreams colours, taking me to other worlds.... But most important is to follow your intuition, and not really following cliches, cause if you like music for real, i think cliches doesn't really exist...Even the big names in the scene are little drops in the vast ocean of music, and playing their tunes will not really affect my state of criativity...



I agree....there's nothing wrong with playing songs that people will recognize and like. In fact, a well placed classic can easily make a set so much more memorable to the audience. i suppose if DJ's were playing whole sets of Shpongle, OTT, and Talvin Singh
that'd be a little cheezy.....but the music those artists make is amazing, dammit!
sundrop
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 01:00
well that wasnt censorship, your post is still readable for all, but the thread is locked.

i agree on some point, alot of music is really boring and predictable, yet the sound quality is so amazing that it becomes a curious listen.

however thats the price we pay for having such awesome technology. many people will make music and the rich/spoiled people may have the best sounds with no effort, from using premade loops and soundbank, but it is the dedicated artist who will have the best music !!

i think the reason for this is, an artist who master the instruments, can make their own loops and sounds, and therefore will make more expressive and evolving music!
maux
Mauxuam

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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 16:11
with all the respect for those big names I find that a dj set full of music from Ott and Simon and the usual suspects is really really boring...not only because those names don't renew their style anymore and become very predictable (even if amazingly produced and so on)...but expecially because it would sound same same as the dj before and the one after (top 40 syndrome like the one happening in the trance floor)...but also anyone can play by himself the same set in his bedroom...the last album from lsd and youth friends I listened to was the glorious East of the river gange...and I guess I am not missing much ignoring their latest stuff...I am very curious instead about the Master Margherita playlists....I don't know many of the names and I am ready to be surprised...psychedelic music should be surprisingly and not confortably entertaining..off course just an opinion....aum
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