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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 9, 2006 13:36
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On 2006-12-09 10:12, shamantrixx wrote:
Mastering with PSP Nitro... really interesting point. Why don't you write some manual on this subject. I guess it would be quite a shock to the mastering profession. |
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It's never helped me to get pissy with people, and I doubt it will help you. Take a chill pill. Having said that, I'd be intrested to hear how Nitro has been used in a mastering situation, too.
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Any processing applied to the stereo mix buss should be left to the mastering process, whether you do it yourself or someone does it for you. This includes stereo buss compression and EQ... Also reverse limiting techniques can't be applied on mixdown even if you wanted to.
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| And do I need to master my tracks also before playing it to my friends or my mother? Since I find them more important than people on the web sounds like I should also master my tracks for them  |
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That depends on whether your mother listens critically to your music in comparison to other tracks. Or perhaps she's elderly and infirm and you want her to avoid having to reach for the volume control when the compilation you made for her changes from a Domestic track to a Shamantrixx track? Or perhaps your basic mixes - whilst clear and consistent - are shockingly bass-light due to your room acoustics, and you want to boost what's there to match the bass on the Mistress of Evil tunes she's so fond of?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 9, 2006 13:37
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Colin OOOD
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 00:25
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You're missing the point here. If one takes the effort to master production techniques, once mixed down to a single stereo track mastering is just few meters further down the same road. A bit of homework is required and a lot of practice. But when you discover some errors you can always return to the mixdown and fix it in the mix. That ofcourse is not the solution with "regular" mastering. Worst of all... you don't get any quality feedback from mastering master. Those are two sides of the same coin. Knowing them both a half way is more usefull than knowing just one all the way.
Since you do both you should be well aware of that fact. Or not?
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Dec 18, 2006 23:52
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On 2006-12-09 03:47, qane wrote:
Qane?
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Sorry. Thanks for the advice Qane |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 20, 2006 11:31
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newbie - my adivce, try a limiter on the masterout when you create, but dont forget to bypass it after you checked how it sounds...
a good chain could be a multiband compressor and a limiter,
you ask why?
i say, good for hearing if you smeard some tracks with too much reverb or anyother FX, as all these stuff gets amplified when you premaster.. so its good to know in the mixing stage where you are in terms of FX mixing and finding annoying freqs..
but once you get a opinion bypass and try to make the mix better..
often you raise the bass and kick too much and forget that in the end everything will get boosted.
keep a nice balance, no matter if you mix loud or low... and check the mix with limiter and compressor casue thats most likley what the mastering engineer will use. if you dont know how to dial the FX, use presets that you think sound good...
you see the work you make on the track afterwords will have a big impact, you can do it in so many ways.. i have had tracks that dont sound so much, but after some work with a FFT filter a compressor and limiter it get very tight and sounds much more clear...
this is just some tips from another newbie, someone else might not agree with me... but hey we all learn new stuff all the time...
good luck, and dont send your stuff to a mastering engineer before you know a little about the topic your self and have at least tried to make somekind of own premastering
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Jan 2, 2007 00:50
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On 2006-12-20 11:31, Freeflow wrote:
newbie - my adivce, try a limiter on the masterout when you create, but dont forget to bypass it after you checked how it sounds...
a good chain could be a multiband compressor and a limiter,
you ask why?
i say, good for hearing if you smeard some tracks with too much reverb or anyother FX, as all these stuff gets amplified when you premaster.. so its good to know in the mixing stage where you are in terms of FX mixing and finding annoying freqs..
but once you get a opinion bypass and try to make the mix better..
often you raise the bass and kick too much and forget that in the end everything will get boosted.
keep a nice balance, no matter if you mix loud or low... and check the mix with limiter and compressor casue thats most likley what the mastering engineer will use. if you dont know how to dial the FX, use presets that you think sound good...
you see the work you make on the track afterwords will have a big impact, you can do it in so many ways.. i have had tracks that dont sound so much, but after some work with a FFT filter a compressor and limiter it get very tight and sounds much more clear...
this is just some tips from another newbie, someone else might not agree with me... but hey we all learn new stuff all the time...
good luck, and dont send your stuff to a mastering engineer before you know a little about the topic your self and have at least tried to make somekind of own premastering
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Thanks Freeflow! |
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 00:02
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On 2006-12-09 10:12, shamantrixx wrote:
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On 2006-12-08 23:50, qane wrote:
Don't be so "There's no such thing as mastering in any good track" about it..that isn't true at all..
I understand that there's a lot that can be done with your tracks alone, and that the mix and tracks themselves are very important, but there is a lot that needs to be done in the finalization process to the entire track.
What you can do with Nitro, VW, and Ozone should be a good amount of mastering for a track that isn't going to be released..the only reason you should have to master your own tracks in the first place is for sending demos or posting sample tracks on the web..
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Mastering with PSP Nitro... really interesting point. Why don't you write some manual on this subject. I guess it would be quite a shock to the mastering profession.
Further on... what can you do on mastering that can not be done during the mix?
And do I need to master my tracks also before playing it to my friends or my mother? Since I find them more important than people on the web sounds like I should also master my tracks for them
Blahhhh... nowdays everybody eather ask for money or doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. And that indeed helps out the first ones who ask the money straight forward.
This used to be a comunity for sharing knowledge and expirience. Nowdays it looks more like a pissing and beauty-synth contest.
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I'm talking about PSP Nitro for individual track FX..because imo it's an easy processor for a beginner to use for FX on the tracks themselves. No I don't master with PSP Nitro.
Maybe if you had read my post before getting offended and being reactive at the first sentence, you would've seen that I don't disagree with the idea of working on the mix as a much more important process than the mastering.
Mastering for me is a very minimal process at this point, but I can remember being new to the topic and seeing the difference that a few VSTi's in the master bus could make. It pushed me forward in my learning process, and I'm only hoping to share some of what I've learned with someone new to the subject.
My response to you was to not tell someone with no background knowledge of a subject that an entire (important) process of creating a track shouldn't be necessary. I didn't mean any disrespect or confusion, sorry if that wasn't clarified. |
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 01:19
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Thanks again Qane! i really appriciate your effort.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 14:34
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hey newbie its 2007 now
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Jan 3, 2007 18:11
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On 2007-01-03 14:34, Freeflow wrote:
hey newbie its 2007 now
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Happy New year!!! All the best. I am too lazy to change my user account. Have fun |
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 05:57
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On 2006-12-20 11:31, Freeflow wrote:
newbie - my adivce, try a limiter on the masterout when you create, but dont forget to bypass it after you checked how it sounds...
a good chain could be a multiband compressor and a limiter,
you ask why?
i say, good for hearing if you smeard some tracks with too much reverb or anyother FX, as all these stuff gets amplified when you premaster.. so its good to know in the mixing stage where you are in terms of FX mixing and finding annoying freqs..
but once you get a opinion bypass and try to make the mix better..
often you raise the bass and kick too much and forget that in the end everything will get boosted.
keep a nice balance, no matter if you mix loud or low... and check the mix with limiter and compressor casue thats most likley what the mastering engineer will use. if you dont know how to dial the FX, use presets that you think sound good...
you see the work you make on the track afterwords will have a big impact, you can do it in so many ways.. i have had tracks that dont sound so much, but after some work with a FFT filter a compressor and limiter it get very tight and sounds much more clear...
this is just some tips from another newbie, someone else might not agree with me... but hey we all learn new stuff all the time...
good luck, and dont send your stuff to a mastering engineer before you know a little about the topic your self and have at least tried to make somekind of own premastering
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Hey Freeflow,
These are all good tips. Thanks.
I placed Ozone to my master out with its preset to see how my is coming out. It made a big difference. Especially with different presets. Now I have another question. How do you pros leave this portion? Do you leave the master enabled all the time until the tirack is done or just for monitoring to see how the mix is doing?
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