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A little help for those who need it

nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 12, 2003 21:17
Ok I have had a few people asking me what they should do to prevent labels from giving out their tracks when they send music to the labels.

Of course it's never 100% guarantied that a label will keep the promise not to give the music out once you signed a deal with the label. It's a matter of trust from both sides (you also have to stick to your word of not giving out your music to anyone).

When all that is said there's one thing you can do to make it very hard for them to trade your music when you send out demo's to the various labels.

It's called "glitches" = cut's in the music, a sharp tone or noise ect ect.

Put in a glitch every 1 to 2 minute in your track. This will prevent any pirate out there from wanting to have anything to do with your track but it will still be good enough for a demo to the labels. If a label argue that they dont want a demo this way ... well then forget about them. They are not to be trusted then!

Hope this little but effective advice helped.
technoid


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Posted : Dec 12, 2003 21:44
Couldn't you just stipulate in the contract that you won't have your music given away by the label?           "One nation under a groove".
Mike A
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Posted : Dec 12, 2003 21:56
When sending demos there is no contract yet..
pr0fane
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 00:01
To be honest I haven't read many of the mp3 discussions on this forum, so I don't know if this has been mentioned before. I'll give it a go though.

It's not so much a preventative suggestion, but I hope it might be usefull to some artists.

I read in an article ( http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,52426,00.html ) that Aphex Twin had put images into some of his music. Couldn't some artists use this sort of like a watermark when they hand out early promos?

Let's say you hand out 10 promos, and you put in 10 different images. If you then find out that the track is being played by another DJ, or is leaked to the mp3 mafia, then you should be able to check out the image, and find out where the leak is.

I'm not the expert, so don't know how much work there'll be in this. Will it work?          DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
www.sunrisesupplies.com | www.iboga.dk | www.soundcloud.com/pr0fane
technoid


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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 02:37
Of course there's no contract with a demo. If a label reproduced your music without your permission though, would they not be in breach of copyright laws? It's easy enough to copyright your music. I'm maybe a little naive (although I have had music released before, in bands I've played in) but I'm disgusted that a label would behave like this.           "One nation under a groove".
nahimoff
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 02:55
well kris you know me and I think you know Im quite a reliable guy and still I hate these glitches.

I never give away the demos I get even if its the lousiest crap ive ever heard and believe me I get some serious crap

When I get a demo with nasty scratches in it it usually effects my judgment badly and there is much less chance for me to like the music even if its good.

Like everything trust is something which is built with time and there is no black and white but I prefer that asrtists would mute some parts of the track and not insert squeeks or strange sounds in it.

Just my personal thought

DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 03:43
Well i also dont like glitches hehe           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 04:42
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On 2003-12-13 02:55, nahimoff wrote:
well kris you know me and I think you know Im quite a reliable guy and still I hate these glitches.

I never give away the demos I get even if its the lousiest crap ive ever heard and believe me I get some serious crap

When I get a demo with nasty scratches in it it usually effects my judgment badly and there is much less chance for me to like the music even if its good.

Like everything trust is something which is built with time and there is no black and white but I prefer that asrtists would mute some parts of the track and not insert squeeks or strange sounds in it.

Just my personal thought





Hi Nadi

How's life in Germany?

I know your a very reliable person and I would have no problem in giving you music without "glitches" in

But as you know there are some label people that aren't so trustworthy out there in the "traders jungle" and if I was a new artist that didn't really have any personal relations to any of the label people on the labels I would not know who to trust. So I think this solution at least give some kind of protection against trading of demo's.

I know many label people dont like the "glitches" but you also have to understand that it's our work and that we have used a lot of time and energy to create these tracks so if there are some small bip's, blip's, scratches or pauses in the tracks then it's still possible for the label to judge if the music is something they want to release... And it give the artists some peace in mind

Personally I tend to use the cut in the tracks or as you call it "pauses" so we actually agree

Good luck on your new life in germany and with your releases and parties. I am sure you will make it there as you deserve to

Oh and DETOX my friend even though I dont make the kind of music you release I would have no problem in trusting you too
nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 04:47
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On 2003-12-13 02:37, technoid wrote:
Of course there's no contract with a demo. If a label reproduced your music without your permission though, would they not be in breach of copyright laws? It's easy enough to copyright your music. I'm maybe a little naive (although I have had music released before, in bands I've played in) but I'm disgusted that a label would behave like this.




Yes you're absolutely right. But only if you can prove that it's your music. Thats why it's so important to be a member of a national organisation of copyright and also to send all demo's as recommended mail so you got the prove that you actually did send the music to the label. But even then it can be a very hard and tough fight. Especially since the artist must be the one to sue the label that most of the time properly is located in another country... And when you sue someone outside your own country it normally takes quite a lot of cash to be able to sue.... so as I said...It's a lot of headache to the artist(s) if he/she/they, god forbid it, ever ended up in that situation... Well I did but that's another story

But this is a very rare situation that most artists luckely will never end up in
DETOX
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 05:51
When respect and trust exists in a relationship (even through the net) then the music style doesnt matter at all.By the way Kristian i dont only collect music for future releases,i have my own taste too you know and at home i listen to every kind of music

And trying to be a bad guy now,please artists do not become a member of national organisations of copyright cause these organisations are actually fucking up the labels by charging them with extra money for releases of artists that belong to these organisations LOL

My next compilation is going to be released on February and i have to pay to those organisations something like 1500 euros
I would like to invest these money somewhere else but what the heck thats the way music business works.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
nobody_3
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 07:38
well those organisations contribute to putting butter on our bread and they also help artists with legal rights and representation
shahar
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Posted : Dec 13, 2003 17:44
I will never release a track that I got with glitches or any other unplayable format.
I would be irresponsible and betray my customers if I release dancefloor music without getting it tested on the floor.
I have never passed on music I got (and I get plenty) without permission of the artists.

I do understand people who choose to act this way as there are plenty of incidents where untrustworthy people don't respect the artist and him music and spread it around.

It is a matter of trust and relationships between people. Therefore my main suggestion is that you get some relationship going between you and the person you deal with, no matter what side (artist or label)- then make a character judgment- you can still be right or wrong. That's life.

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