9/11 Facts ... you decide what the truth really is
Kaz
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 19:31
Of course people made money off of this. Fox News changed from "funny right wing blather" to "serious news network rivalling CNN" - Fox Studios are responsible! Dick Cheney and Bush's friends and family made the most of it (military/oil profiteers all around more or less), yet people saying "The US Government made 9/11 to further it's own agenda" are considered between silly and retarded. Some civilians do too (hell, if anyone read their history WWII is what got the US out of the great depression), this is the American Way guys. Truth and Justice are for Superman
The racist version of one point: "the zionists control the media and look to make profit from the suffering of innocent americans"
The more grounded in fact version: "there are many Jewish people in the US media (though by far a minority on ALL levels) and the media made profits off of terror attacks, surprisingly enough - it made for good news stories, and people watching TV while being fed paranoia helps"
Notice how you phrased yourself. Some people are much closer to the first one. For instance, HOW THE HELL IS ZIONISM CONNECTED TO THIS?
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Posted : Jul 27, 2007 00:04
Who controls the world?
" A look in to the groups and secret societies that controls the world. Also a look at religion, symbolism, occult and Satanism. "
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Posted : Aug 18, 2007 21:25
Thanks for this last link gaspard.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2007 17:35
and another one:
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Posted : Oct 26, 2007 10:51
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On 2007-07-23 11:52, Magox wrote:
First it was president Bush , then the israelis, who next? How about the Pope, I'm sure some moron on a camera can link the pope to 9/11
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Posted : Nov 9, 2007 01:46
Every bit of "scientific" conspiracy crap pointed out in Loose Change has already been debunked, only without special effects and dramatic music in the background. The simple fact is that a conspiracy involving this complex a plan is ridiculous. You may as well say "the Illuminati did it" and get it over with.
Read it - and then follow the links on the bottom of it. They're actually rather good.
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Posted : Nov 9, 2007 03:03
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On 2007-11-09 01:46, Kaz wrote:
Every bit of "scientific" conspiracy crap pointed out in Loose Change has already been debunked, only without special effects and dramatic music in the background. The simple fact is that a conspiracy involving this complex a plan is ridiculous. You may as well say "the Illuminati did it" and get it over with.
Read it - and then follow the links on the bottom of it. They're actually rather good.
ROFL, those cartoons in the link are great.. Our not-so-bright illuminati friends who somehow managed to rule the world for thousands of years in spite of being total idiots.
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Posted : Nov 9, 2007 09:50
sure its all bullshit!!
just the fact that the government spent millions on clinton/lewinsky investigation and only a few hundred thousand on 911 investigation tells me otherwise.
why not tell us while we re here why the twin towers which were not brought down fell in exactly the same manner than building 7 which was "pulled"?
hey and how come burning buildings in the rest of the world dont ever collapse whilst the towers did in a mere couple of hours?
and why did some international officials receive letters warning them not to fly that day to new york?
I dont think the illuminati (if they even exist) had anything to do with this, but I find it strange that people can actually believe that bush and co are totally innocent.and IF they are then they certainly managed to turn it to their advantage!
Hey but maybe I, and many many people are wrong and the bush administration are actually really good people, with america and freedom and democracy in mind, not money and corporate profit. maybe they re really not interested in securing key positions in the world for petrol, maybe they didnt need 911 to invade irak and afkanistan (it really was to bring freedom and democracy there!!).Lets see what happens with iran and venezuela (funny one that, president Chavez is apparently affiliated to al-quaida now!!!)
its called No End In Sight. maybe it can be found elsewhere.
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Posted : Nov 9, 2007 14:58
Allow me to introduce what I deem the single most powerful philosophical tool: Ockham's Razor. What it says is this (I hope I quote this right): "variables should not be multiplied beyond necessity"... translated to the much more populistic "the simplest explanation is most often the correct one".
Short explanation of why this is true. In the real world, every action can be represented as a variable/entity - and because we don't know what it is, it is one out of a VERY large number of possible ones. We are talking at the very least in the tens of thousands here. The moment your explanation has ONE more variable, it is very probably at least ten thousand times less likely to be true than one that has just one action less. Two variables, we're talking one hundred million. Three - we have just passed a trillion. Conspiracy theories require a lot more than three added variables - therefor being very, very unlikely.
We can factor in human nature and say that these things are occasionally done, but the more you add, the more complex the execution of a plan in imagination, the greater chances it'll screw up. One added variable due to the fact that in the real world there are so many options will add a lot more constellations in which things end up botched. This is the basis of military and financial planning, because you want success at the highest probability possible.
The reasons why soldiers are taught to just follow orders no matter what - the moment they don't, even if they do everything in their power to make things work and are extremely competent, entire plans fall apart due to simple probabilities.
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just the fact that the government spent millions on clinton/lewinsky investigation and only a few hundred thousand on 911 investigation tells me otherwise.
Simple explanation - Americans treat sex as much more taboo than death. Their censorship in movies, videogames, whatever proves this. Also - the one in charge of the Clinton investigation was low-risk at best to the government and run by the enthusiastic opposition, while the 9/11 had potential to topple all the main leadership of the government, the military and the supporting industrial sector - and appointments to it were indirectly controlled by those very people - this ended up with the simple truth... one was allowed to run unhindered and one wasn't. One variable, based on social and political trends in the US. Hard to debunk and very likely.
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why not tell us while we re here why the twin towers which were not brought down fell in exactly the same manner than building 7 which was "pulled"?
That's the way architects design buildings - in case a skyscraper falls sideways, the damages are far greater. That's why this is taught to every architect worldwide - and in the US (land of lawsuits), doubly so.
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hey and how come burning buildings in the rest of the world dont ever collapse whilst the towers did in a mere couple of hours?
and why did some international officials receive letters warning them not to fly that day to new york?
Part 1: The structure is maintained by a single beam, made of both concrete and steel in order to give it both power to withstand simple shocks, varying heats, winds, whatever. The fire, burning at a temperature over 100 degrees celsius above the point where steel loses 50% of it's strength took some time until it sufficiently weakened the steel. As to the concrete surrounding it, well, the crash itself took care of that. All that was needed was to weaken the support to a point where the structure would become unsound - and heat doesn't spread instantly.
Part 2: Let's assume this did happen, it would require the conspiracy to now be global, this would have surfaced in the news for sure, as entire foriegn ministries/companies would have been aware of official notification - which would have immediately been passed on to them (since cancelling international flights/tours is something that would require official explanation - if only for beurocatic reasons). The only other possibility is that the dignitaries were already part of the conspiracy, again, making it all that much more unlikely and hard to execute - any careful planner would avoid doing this.
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I find it strange that people can actually believe that bush and co are totally innocent.and IF they are then they certainly managed to turn it to their advantage!
I'll bring up historical information. World War II was what got the US out of the Great Depression, and yet the US didn't fund Hitler. Any politician knows a few basic facts like - "how to strengthen your political base in times of war", every businessman views war as opportunity, and Bush (born and raised into the political world - with a lot of relatives retired into high ranking positions in various arms companies), Cheney (head of Haluburton Enegry Services prior to his political career) and others have strong ties to the weapons/oil industries as is. Of course they'll make a huge profit here, they've been doing this their entire lives, not just in this incidence. And anyone becoming president/vice president has to be very far from innocent.
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Hey but maybe I, and many many people are wrong and the bush administration are actually really good people, with america and freedom and democracy in mind, not money and corporate profit. maybe they re really not interested in securing key positions in the world for petrol, maybe they didnt need 911 to invade irak and afkanistan (it really was to bring freedom and democracy there!!).Lets see what happens with iran and venezuela (funny one that, president Chavez is apparently affiliated to al-quaida now!!!)
My assumptions never had anything to do with morality, that just complicates things (my personal assumption is that political heavyweights tend to be immoral/pragmatic, but this has nothing to do with that). Of course 9/11 was necessary to get support for war - the US always has a casus belli (justification for war), something necessary in any democracy in which the president doesn't want to get impeached. Of course it was abused politically and economically. Every politician knows that in times of war the natural tendancy is to unite behind a leader, something that can be traced to pre-biblical times. Every businessman knows that war is good for profits if you just have a lot of guts, no morals and good timing (the rise of England as a naval/economic power is a prime example - Pirates were knighted).
And notice how I didn't need rhetorical questions and exclamation points to prove my points, only simple logic based on history, economics, social and political trends.
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