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traveller
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 23:23
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You know what's really funny. Iraq was the only OPEC country that sold oil in € instead of $ 
What goes for 9/11.. I'm sure there's more to it than what we're told in the media    "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Watter
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 18:47
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@Psycosmo: Man if you wanna blind yourself from the possible truth thats just fine..... but please watch the film first and pay close attention to it... then you can say what ever you want.... I really could care less about the real facts.. it won't change that it happened and even if some one proves that there were 2 simultaneus plots behind this the public - such as yourself- will refuse to accept it and say it is "far fetch".....
Thing is us economy has a gr8 dependence on the armsindustry.... since your economy wasn't doing so gr8 way not arrange a war.... and make an old friend a bilionair in the way..... wat? you think that they actually care about a couple of thousand ppl geting killed?? get real!!! There are are multibilion reasons way this heppened... the bush clan owns a considerable part of some of the gr8test arms company in the world.... so the war REALLY helped them.... the new "owner"(he doesn't own it, I don't know the english term for it) of the WTC had payed 15milions for it and got 7 billions!!!! he is going to spend 2-3 billions on the re-cnostruction... a 4-5 billion USD profit.... not bad for less then 6 month of work, eh!!!
This is my first and last post to this thread 'cause I don't want it to get o personal... my views are there....
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:16
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 16:22
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@Psycosmo: Man if you wanna blind yourself from the possible truth thats just fine..... but please watch the film first and pay close attention to it... then you can say what ever you want....
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I love how these controlled demolition conspiricy people always say stuff like this when someone is skeptical of their theory
"hey man, you're just like closed minded man, you didnt watch the video man, you werent listening man, open your eyes man"
Why can they not just accept that other people see the same "evidence" that they do and reach a different conclusion? |
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jabba
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Posted : Nov 27, 2006 17:27
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 03:44
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On 2006-11-27 16:22, Psycosmo wrote:
Why can they not just accept that other people see the same "evidence" that they do and reach a different conclusion?
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I've noticed that being into Conspiracy Theories is kind of like religious fundamentalism.
Both patterns of thought tend to center around a denial of scientific, peer-reviewed evidence that is inconvenient to their agenda/beliefs, and both tend to have a seductive quality of making people feel they are "in on something" important, and everyone else isn't. But they'll show you the light! If only you'd listen...
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Eth-Lad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 04:52
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On 2006-11-27 16:22, Psycosmo wrote:
Why can they not just accept that other people see the same "evidence" that they do and reach a different conclusion?
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I've noticed that being into Conspiracy Theories is kind of like religious fundamentalism.
Both patterns of thought tend to center around a denial of scientific, peer-reviewed evidence that is inconvenient to their agenda/beliefs, and both tend to have a seductive quality of making people feel they are "in on something" important, and everyone else isn't. But they'll show you the light! If only you'd listen...
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I think its "as funda-mental-istic" to just swallow the "normal" information from the media and accept it as truth.
even if bush himself or the government as such didnt have anything to do with planning and executing this, there are still friggin many people who benefitted enormously from 9/11 and everything that followed it. and according to things like the new insurance for the buildings and delicate data being stored in WTC-5 (or was it seven? - the one that fell even though it wasnt hit) it is just obvious that a few of these benefitees knew it would happen and prepared themselves (and the buildings) for this.
not to mention the fact that 'they' planned something like this, considering "fake-attacks to start a war" about one year earlier.
all i can say about the video-footage is "controlled demolition"
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eh!
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 05:53
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I think its "as funda-mental-istic" to just swallow the "normal" information from the media and accept it as truth.
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This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Just because I think Loose Change was BS and doesnt prove anything at all, who are you to assume that I just automatically buy into the conventional explaination? I mean what, its either Loose Change's version of the story or Bush and Co.'s version? Those are my only two options?
If you had read my posts you would realize that I don't trust Bush and Co. at all, what I said was that although I dont believe they ordered 9/11, I do think they are shamelessly milking it in order to grab as much power and $$ as they can.
And by the way Eth-Lad, I just want to take this opprotunity to say thankyou for NOT accusing me of not having looked into the arguments or even seen Loose Change, as certain other people in this thread have.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 07:39
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I kinda agree with *Psycosmo*. I feel that the fact Bush and Co. took advantage of the situation is all that their involvement consisted off. I doubt the argument that they directly engineered it. Maybe indirectly though, through years of US foreign policy and manipulations. Its a logical reaction to oppresion whether justified or not.
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jabba
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 07:51
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one thing for sure after a country has one of the best intelligence ............... HOW could bush'n'Co. not know about the plot , maybe they never wanted to avoid it , its what i think . not a kind of conspiracy theory but a logical thinking ............yes given the benefit that goof ups happen but not when a terrorist attack on such a scale and all hush hush , nobody has a clue is undigestable .
Next................... U.S. under any BUsh kinda govt. has a history of making new laws to gain more control over people's lives ..........kinda get into anyones life and whoop his ass for any damn reason under the pretext of terror threats .......................... Same was done when drug laws were made , so nothing new and i can easily believe that BUSH N CO. may have known the dreaded but kept a watch and just a watch so they may milk the situation ...........
just my thgts
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 17:09
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Why can they not just accept that other people see the same "evidence" that they do and reach a different conclusion?
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such as what? its all very well saying "it didnt happen like this and there are other options" but what are they? please shed light onto us!
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Eth-Lad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2006 19:12
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On 2006-11-28 05:53, Psycosmo wrote:
This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Just because I think Loose Change was BS and doesnt prove anything at all, who are you to assume that I just automatically buy into the conventional explaination? I mean what, its either Loose Change's version of the story or Bush and Co.'s version? Those are my only two options?
If you had read my posts you would realize that I don't trust Bush and Co. at all, what I said was that although I dont believe they ordered 9/11, I do think they are shamelessly milking it in order to grab as much power and $$ as they can.
And by the way Eth-Lad, I just want to take this opprotunity to say thankyou for NOT accusing me of not having looked into the arguments or even seen Loose Change, as certain other people in this thread have.
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errr... psycosmo, i wasnt talking to you.
i merely quoted someone who quoted you.
as i am currently unable to measure your sarcasm: you're welcome.
i dont care if you have seen footage of buildings on fire for days that didnt collapse, even though these structures had a by far less subtle architecture than the twin towers.
and i dont care either if you have ever seen a controlled demolition of a building and recognize the multiple small detonations that are used to weaken the structure to enable it to collapse completely.
i dont post here to convince anyone about anything.
either you have a mind of your own and use it for discernment, or not. your decision.
regardless of your opinion on this matter:
(okay, now I actually am trying to convince)
if you happen to be a US-citizen, you should use the 11th september of any upcoming year to raise your voice and be present to claim for all the information to be made public-accessible.
why dont 'they' show us the numerous surveillance tapes that filmed the jet/missile/suicidal pelican/plane (in the order of likeliness) that hit the pentagon?
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 04:17
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On 2006-11-28 19:12, Eth-Lad wrote:
why dont 'they' show us the numerous surveillance tapes that filmed the jet/missile/suicidal pelican/plane (in the order of likeliness) that hit the pentagon?
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"They" did, actually. And to the outrage of conspiracy nuts everywhere, it was a typical security camera tape with a crappy framerate unable to capture crystal clear images of a plane moving at several hundred feet per second. So of course the conspiracy people weren't satisfied.
"The tape sucks! It's too low quality! Where's the REAL tape? Wheres the perfect, crystal-clear DVD quality tape? We know you have it!!"
Of course - what if they HAD released a "satisfying" tape showing a plane hitting? Would you be satisfied? Or would you just assume it was a digital forgery and keep demanding to see the "real tape"?
All of the various 9/11 conspiracies have been consistently, REPEATEDLY debunked by a broad variety of scientific and forensic experts. Yet people still think harder and harder to come up with increasingly complex, elaborate conspiracies involving thousands of government operatives rather than just accept the idea that insanely religious zealots crashed some planes.
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The 9/11 Truth Movement invariably describes the mainstream account of 9/11 as the “government version” or “the official version.” In fact, the generally accepted account of 9/11 is made up of a multitude of sources: thousands of newspaper, TV, and radio reports produced by journalists from all over the world; investigations conducted by independent organizations and institutions, including the American Society of Civil Engineers, Purdue University, Northwestern University, Columbia University, the National Fire Protection Association, and Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.; eyewitness testimony from literally thousands of people; recordings and transcripts of phone calls, air traffic control transmissions, and other communications; thousands of photographs; thousands of feet of video footage; and, let’s not forget the words of Osama bin Laden, who discussed the operation in detail on more than one occasion, including in an audio recording released in May 2006 that said: “I am responsible for assigning the roles of the 19 brothers to conduct these conquests . . .”
The mainstream view of 9/11 is, in other words, a vast consensus. By presenting it instead as the product of a small coterie of insiders, conspiracists are able to ignore facts they find inconvenient and demonize people with whom they disagree.
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4199831.html
So - the government that has flawlessly influenced or silenced all those people for YEARS is the same government that can't even fake a single WMD in Iraq to justify the entire war the conspiracy was built to support?
Also - Don't forget to blame the Jews! Conspiracies always come back to that...
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/4346_13.htm
It's not just that 9/11 conspiracies are bullshit: The ENTIRE CONCEPT of a massive conspiracy is flawed and unrealistic. Human beings are imperfect. Someone involved will make a mistake and confess or release evidence.
http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm
I don't blame anyone for wanting to believe these conspiracies: The Bush Administration has taken so many lives, been caught in so many lies, manipulated the fears of the American people for so long... there is no question they have been a terrible blight on recent American history.
But the essence of the Bush Administration is arrogant incompetence and short-sightedness... not cold, efficient effectiveness. In the past 6 years, they have failed at everything they have attempted - politically, economically, militarily. And yet we should believe they have flawlessly executed the largest conspiracy in the history of the modern world? To achieve goals they could have done with vastly simpler means at much lower risk? No.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 05:57
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Dude *META* .. ur my hero!
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Eth-Lad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2006 06:03
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I agree with Metas on the view on the bush qadministration and the zyonistic-world-conspiracy is ridiculous imho.
still, i try to imagine what a bunch of CEOs/share-holders who happen to also be at - or at least have people who share their interests in - the proper positions.
and now take a number of these people.
then add a few more.
give them phones and internet and months to plan this, including scenario-files that already existed for years, since the Military-Industrial-Complex (to which quite a bunch of these fellas might belong) seeked for a way to have pearl harbour part 2 to push the stock-market and gov-spendings in their favour. .. "oh.. japan is unwilling to attack us? hmmm.. darn.. what about those towel-heads?"
these people have similar interests and accumulating power. "they" knew that something like 9/11 would happen, because the CIA knew it (even bush knew that, but he ignored it because he also knew that the bin ladens were buddies of his dad: "so why would a son from one of my dads business partners, who also fought for my country against the russians for years, receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from the CIA to do so, attack my country? i didnt read the CIAs most wanted list, how can i know that this the same Osama they are looking for?"), had plenty much time to insure the WTC, plant explosives in the towers and this other building - containing lots of stockmarket-fraud-investigation-material (yay, i like making up new words) which would have been harmful for the interests of the group of people i just described - that collapsed and can prevent the routinely started military jets from intercepting the hi-jacked planes.
sorry for this rather immanuel-kant-like sentence, including the effort to display a Bush-thought^tm in the middle of this paragraph.
i am le tired
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