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Bio Genesis
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 14:03
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hi peeps... here is a 1 hour, 30 min long video i came across on the internet, which gives several facts on what happened when the planes crashed on the twin towers in New York, on sept/11/2001.
this video shows many scientific facts and gives several proof on what really happened that day and what really brought the towers down... i was really impresed when i saw this, because for all us of who are not of a very inquisitive nature, and also for those who are, this made me question what was really giong on... and since today, about 80%, if not more of all foreign policy and world conflict is based on this big hoax.
watch it and tell me what you think
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11+mysteries
and as the video says.. once enough of us know something is bound to happen.
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 14:38
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Bio Genesis
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 14:58
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Not the same thing really... this is a properly done documentary.. which shows especific facts of 9/11
please take a look at it its really well done and i would like to hear your opinions.
its a little long but if you have time on your hands one day i think its worth it.
thanx anyway
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 15:55
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On 2006-11-08 14:58, Bio Genesis wrote:
Not the same thing really... this is a properly done documentary.. which shows especific facts of 9/11
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sorry mate but after watching the first 25 mins of this one, i can safely say that its exactly the same theory as loose change and many other documentaries, ie: steel doesnt melt in fuel fire, secondary explosions, towers supposed to withstand plane flying into it, etc etc
nothing new here.
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Bio Genesis
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 16:26
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did you see the part about, the 7 billion dollars made out of the towers being destroyed, enron and building 7 etc.. this is bigger ..
well i think its interesting
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 17:23
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did you see the part about, the 7 billion dollars made out of the towers being destroyed, enron and building 7 etc.. this is bigger ..
well i think its interesting
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its all in there aswell.
having said that i found the last 15 or so minutes pretty good. it dug slightly deeper than the others.
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 17:44
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What will the result of all this "secrets out in the open" be? Will there be a future consequence, or will it just fly by and stay in our grandchildren’s history book? I would like to see a result out of all this .. you know. |
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HaKa
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 18:19
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i dont see the video yet, i need to go to school now, but i will see it soon, but one thingi can says about that i 9/11 was organized by U.S.A. Government!
and i dont know either of someone tell that before, not a lot of time to read...
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 8, 2006 20:29
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On 2006-11-08 17:44, psytones wrote:
I would like to see a result out of all this .. you know.
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yeah man, we all want to know what really happened.... thats why i like these documentaries because they come up different theories (far fetched or not). its good to never stop questionning the official story.
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 00:25
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Well I think it's good that there are people pointing out the inconsistancies, but some of the suggestions are really far-fetched.
Just because someone is evil doesnt mean that every accusation against them is true.
Remote control planes hit the towers? Absurd.
All those explosives got snuck into the towers without anyone noticing? even more absurd.
They decided to fly a plane into the towers, but decided that that wouldnt make a big enough impression on people, and so went through the trouble to do a controlled demolition? Doesnt seem likely.
And just for kicks they faked a plane crash in Pennsylvania? I highly doubt it.
A cruise missle hit the Pentagon? Even more absurd. I highly doubt their measurments of the hole, the Pentagon is a big building and that hole is bigger than it might look.
And why would they use a missle for the Pentagon and say it was a plane, if they used planes for the two towers?
True, there are many suspicious circumstances, but I dont find the way the conspiricy theorists intrpret them very credible.
I wouldnt be surprised if these conspiricy theories are being put out to distract us from a more subtle, but perhaps equally dark truth.
I think the simplest explaination is most likely. There really are terrorists out there, they really did attack the USA, they really do want to destroy western civilization, but Bush and his crew siezed the opportunity to use peoples fear to grab illegal powers, throw off the system of checks and balances between branches of government to favor the excecutive brance and wage an illegal war.
Furthermore, they shamelessly use the memory of 9/11 as a figleaf for their incompetence in finding an effective balance between military and diplomatic solutions, to frighten people away from questioning the efficacy of their strategy for combating terrorism.
I just wonder how the american right will react if we get a democrat president, and he (or she, who knows) uses those powers against right-wing terrorists like the ones who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma. How will they feel about right wing extremists getting their rights of habeus corpus trampled? I doubt they will like it very much.
Although it is a far less dramatic explaination, I think most likely the neocons simply got lucky and used the situation to maximum advantage, but in the end what they have done will expose them for what they really are.
Now it seems their luck is running out, and hopefully that trend will continue.
Still, it's good that some people are willing to think critically about the governments explaination
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 03:05
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On 2006-11-09 00:25, Psycosmo wrote:
They decided to fly a plane into the towers, but decided that that wouldnt make a big enough impression on people, and so went through the trouble to do a controlled demolition? Doesnt seem likely.
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It seems you haven't taken the time to actually watch these documentaries..The reason they supposedly used controlled demolition was because the impact from the planes & the resulting fires were simply not enough to take the towers down..The towers were designed to withstand such disasters and the steel structure wouldn't have melted as a result of the said fire..Hence they acutally had to use demolition to take out the structural beams of the towers to bring them down..
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A cruise missle hit the Pentagon? Even more absurd. I highly doubt their measurments of the hole, the Pentagon is a big building and that hole is bigger than it might look.
And why would they use a missle for the Pentagon and say it was a plane, if they used planes for the two towers?
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If it was a plane where are the remains? A plane doesn't disappear into thin air..
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I think the simplest explaination is most likely. There really are terrorists out there, they really did attack the USA, they really do want to destroy western civilization.
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Absolutely and i believe they're on the US govt's payroll..
I was born in a city that's right opposite the border to afghanistan & it is this area that osama is supposedly hiding in..I have no doubt that if the US wanted to catch him they would, they know everytime osama farts..They just need a scapegoat to keep pointing the blame at..As long as there is terrorism there is a reason for Bush to be around and to 'fight it'..The day osama is caught there would be no need for the US to spend billions on defence..This means all these industries that are producing all the stuff that feeds the war will have to be shut down..Which would mean that people like Bush & Cheney who own these companies would stop getting richer..
So believe what you will but its a sad fact that the US has and always will do whatever it takes to keep on dominating the world, as it has done from the day the soviet came down..
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 05:40
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The reason they supposedly used controlled demolition was because the impact from the planes & the resulting fires were simply not enough to take the towers down..The towers were designed to withstand such disasters and the steel structure wouldn't have melted as a result of the said fire..Hence they acutally had to use demolition to take out the structural beams of the towers to bring them down..
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What I meant was that making absolutly sure the towers came down and doing both a plane and controlled demolition doesnt make much sense. The number of people killed in the fire and impact would have generated enough outrage. Furthermore a flaw in the logic of the video is that it only takes into account the heat of the burning jet fuel... but it probably ignited a lot of other stuff that burns at different temperatures.
Anyway it just doesnt seem plausable that government agents could sneak in all those explosives without anyone noticing. I mean the entire janitorial staff was CIA or what? Think of the number of people that would have to be in on such a conspiricy.
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If it was a plane where are the remains? A plane doesn't disappear into thin air..
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It didnt disappear into thin air, it just broke into a zillion pieces.
Furthermore, if all these allegations are true, then where are the people with credentials in controlled demolition/structural engineering/physics? Are they part of the conspiricy too? Surely some of them have seen these documentaries.
Anyway, I agree with you that Bush and co.'s commitment to capturing Bin Laden is suspect. It isnt in their best interests to get him, and if they really wanted to get him their priorities would be in other places than they appear to be now.
I just think that the truth is probably less active conspiricay and more opprotunism. Yes, the neocons do favor dominating the world, but that doesnt mean that every conspiracy theory is true.
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Bio Genesis
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Posted : Nov 9, 2006 16:17
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@ Psycosmo: i think that you need to watch this documentary because its seems you have not. if you have i suggest youpay a little bit more of attention as it seems that you have missed some of the point and facts that it gives.
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What I meant was that making absolutly sure the towers came down and doing both a plane and controlled demolition doesnt make much sense. The number of people killed in the fire and impact would have generated enough outrage
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did you watch the part on why WTC building 7 was brought down... and the part on all of the people who'd benefit from this?
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Furthermore a flaw in the logic of the video is that it only takes into account the heat of the burning jet fuel... but it probably ignited a lot of other stuff that burns at different temperatures.
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  dude.....watch it again... smoke.... no flames... steel melts at over 2750 F ..etc
c'mon
any way each one makes up their reality with whatever they beleive.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 23:38
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 02:25
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dude.....watch it again... smoke.... no flames... steel melts at over 2750 F ..etc
c'mon
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Smoke indicates the presence of heat and fire. Just because you dont see orange flames doesn't mean it isn't hot.
PS Your little twak emoticon is not appreciated. Perhaps you would like to come to up New York and try doing that?
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