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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:16
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klippel
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:21
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cheers for the explanation, did not have that in mind.
the technique does work however, and browsing throug a kicks waveform in the beginning (even if you only focus on zero crossings) can change the sound dramatically and yield nice results.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:23
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On 2011-08-01 14:21, klippel wrote:
cheers for the explanation, did not have that in mind.
the technique does work however, and browsing throug a kicks waveform in the beginning (even if you only focus on zero crossings) can change the sound dramatically and yield nice results.
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there are kick/perc creation synths that make the click part using the technique you described, just the finished sample i prefer to have start at a zero point.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:25
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Well... that mix is all over the place... I'd start from lowering a lot of the synth sounds that take up so much space in the mix and defo up the kick fader, but I do tend to mix my kicks kinda loud in our tunes.
Try having a better go at mixing down the track and then see if you still have problems. If I might add that is not the classic deep 808 kick either, sounds more like its between an 808 and a 909 to me.
Try some slight side chain compression to see if that fits your style, not overly done, just some transparent gain reduction on somethings that fight with the kick, so that you can slightly drop them at every kick trigger.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 14:28
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On 2011-08-01 14:25, disco hooligans wrote:
If I might add that is not the classic deep 808 kick either, sounds more like its between an 808 and a 909 to me.
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yah as is it is a shortened 808. agreed kinda loses the point of using an 808 when it is so short.
will take all your suggestions into account. my ears are half dead anyhow from 2 months of hardcore creation work.
i plan on setting all these tracks aside for a week or two once i feel i'm done with creative stuff and then working the mixing, also getting the room a bit dryer before i do that.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 17:16
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cheers for all the thoughts all, here is a little treat, result of this discussion. working real nice along with some mix tips suggested here:
http://postunder.net/files/samples/80Fkick.zip
the click sources are either a few cycles from a hat, snaps only from adern kickme, and a single cycle of a triangle wave.
mixed with a short 808.
of course there are endless options, i'm going to make a pack with a ton of variations.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 17:24
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On 2011-08-01 13:42, faxinadu wrote:
i rather my samples all start at the zero crossing. this way to make a click is not so speaker healthy,
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On 2011-08-01 14:04, faxinadu wrote:
the zero crossing is the point your speakers cross from positive to negative. having a sample offset means the speaker is being told to not start moving from its center, which it physically can not.
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This is a misconception. Because the zero-point of the waveform still lies on the digital zero line, the speaker is being told to move from its rest position, but it is being told to move to a different position (the top of the edited transient) infinitely quickly. This is of course impossible, but the driver gets there as quick as it possibly can, which results in an ultra-short burst of high-frequency noise which gives us our initial click. As long as it is not being driven over its rated power level, this is not damaging to a speaker, as the speaker is limited in the speed at which it can move by its method of construction and the fundamental laws of physics.
What is damaging to a speaker is DC. DC is a constant offset to the centre-point of an audio waveform, and really does have the effect of telling the driver to move from a different position to its rest point. By offsetting the centre-point of the waveform, you effectively limit the maximum possible travel of the cone in one direction, making the voice coil work harder than it's designed to (possibly leading to overheating) and reducing your maximum output level.
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 17:26
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mate i havent lisented but have you tried to synthesize a 808 like kick? it might work goood..i posted a topic already on this but can t find it, with example of X dream and paps using 808 like kick, i got good result with doing it from scrath |
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 17:28
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+1 with collin the zero-point of the waveform still lies on the digital zero line ,it don t intoduce any dc offcet , starting the kick on a non zero crossing point is a very used tricks in electronic music (not often on psy kick but it can work sometimes)
i dont know if you can see it on all audio editors (maybe ?) but on something like izotope rx you see how it change the waveform maybe cause it s reconstructed i don t know ,i forgot all this. |
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 19:38
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klippel
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Posted : Aug 1, 2011 20:51
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 13:13
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 13:14
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On 2011-08-01 17:26, PoM wrote:
mate i havent lisented but have you tried to synthesize a 808 like kick? it might work goood..i posted a topic already on this but can t find it, with example of X dream and paps using 808 like kick, i got good result with doing it from scrath
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yah the old x-dream kick sound is beautiful.
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klippel
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 13:26
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On 2011-08-02 13:14, faxinadu wrote:
yah the old x-dream kick sound is beautiful.
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+1 !
if there is anybody with a sh101 out there (DH??) or any other synth who wants to make some oldschool x-dream alike kicks and hook us up with them samples, THIS is the place to post it 
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 13:30
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