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xaBBu
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 20:06
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Hi there,
After I read hundreds of different opinions about a direct comparsion,
I just had the opportunity to test-listen to these two pairs. Here is my comparsion. I would love to hear if you can aggree with these thoughts, or even more if you have a different opinion. I would like to test them again then , in order to also hear with "different perspectives".
Here the comparsion:
Genelec:
+Nice, defined bass+sub.
+Details in terms of errors (clicks, cracks) are very good
+Very many details in the mid ... could even be a little too much imo with loud vocals and processing.
+Pretty flat sound overall
+awesome stereo image
-sometimes it seemed like mids were eating details in highs
- very low vol distortion got a little glued into the track... which can be good ... and ... can be bad
(hearable in direct comparsion with bm5a
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Bm5a:
+sharp loud defined high freq content
+lots of details in high freq content
+distortion of sounds (not wanted in this case) sticks out
+you can make your high content really clean
-the origin of the high freq content is a little strange to locate in the image (specially vertical)
-Certain highfreq sounds sound tinny.(not tiny, beware of the double n  .)
-Bass iss less defined
I would love to see a freq chart of the BM5a... when listening in comparsion with the genelecs it seemed the strong high freq content of the bm5a made them subjectively less flat.
So this is my first impression of these two monitors. Also I think comparing monitors is a highly subjective thing, because it really depends on my/your listening manners and purposes for the monitors. But anyway ... I would be very happy to hear yout opinions about these two.
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Erez_b
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 12:48
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I never had a chance to hear the Genelec one's but after hearing the Dynaudio's to tell you the truth its hard for me believe there are better monitors out there  , yet again its a matter of taste @ big league monitors ... I think you should hear em' both and decide ...
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 18, 2007 16:26
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I tested both the Genelecs and the Dynaudios - and I went with Adams (S series though). My two cents - it really does depend on what music you want to make. For hip-hop I wouldn't recommend any of these speakers, for full-on I'd go with Dynaudio, and for progressive with Genelec.
You can add these to the list:
Genelec 8030:
+warm sound, tend to go well with RME products
-colored trebles, while giving a lot of detail, they tend to be harder to work with to get snappy percussion
Bm5a:
+the studio standard in the full-on world
+has a faster learning curve than the Genelecs
+gives a lot of detail in the bass section, very easy to hear what's thin and what's fat
-the bass is relatively innacurate compared to the Genelecs - speakers seem to react slower
Adam A7:
+trebles that make Genelec and Dynaudio products seem like hi-fi systems, MUCH more accurate
+very good stereo image
+sharp sound, easy to hear when a sound starts or ends (through all frequencies)
+considered the best price for this kind of quality
+very easy to get used to production-wise
-bass is a little thin, sounds unimpressive
-sounds very dry and nearly clinical, not enjoyable for music listening - especially with clinical DACs on a soundcard (*cough*RME*cough*)
-not as good as the P or S series monitors
-low maximum volume
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 13:20
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funny statment!! might i ask why? what is so different in progressive from fullon to need a different set of speakers.
truce is, these are just a sub categorie of a genre called trance and to me what sounds good sounds good. Now if you do dance music the low end definition is an important factor. So i'd understand a different choice of Monitors from someone mixing orcherstral music.
and i just can't agree wiht the explanation on the adam i think the stereo imaging is not quite as good as the dynaudio bm6 (which i own but i've worked on the adam)
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another funny statment,I'm note a genelec fan ,but to compare them to hifi systems is ridiculous, as for the dynaudio they have well defined trebles
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dynaudio is a brand very much loved by dance music producers. but the bm5 is certainly not the most commonly found set of monitor in project studios.
I apologize if my post looks harsh, but its just the way i felt about this comments, nothing personal here. |
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 13:27
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 13:31
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If you're in a treated room, even if its a small room, you might find the bm5a not powerfull enough, so i wouldn't go for anything under bm6a which are good enough in a small treated room.
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 13:34
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didn't tried the bm6mk2, but they are a cheap version of bm6 mark 1.
I've looked at the specs but did not hear them yet. they have a bigger enclosure ( which is a bad sign), and the amp delivers less power than the original bm6a as for the rest specs won't help much i got to listen to them, but i will soo |
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 13:48
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Do let us know what you think of them..I've got the original BM6A & i was wondering if i should upgrade to the newer version or not..The older version has actually gone up in price since these got released!
I was a little skeptic too though since now the tweeter has only 50W compared to 100W on the MK I. The rest of the specs are similar except the newer one's have a lower crossover frequency..
What's the advantage in having a lower crossover frequency?
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 14:22
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On 2007-03-03 13:20, Seppa wrote:
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funny statment!! might i ask why? what is so different in progressive from fullon to need a different set of speakers. |
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Simple enough - full-on depends nearly solely on the bass for rhythm, and in this Dynaudio are the best solution. As for progressive, the rhythm is more evenly divided around frequencies, and IMO the Genelecs are better suited for this. I say this after testing them, not just as a wild guess. Frankly, I think that a combination of Adam A7s + Sub8 would be better (and cheaper) than the Dynaudio BM6a (haven't heard the MKII yet, but from what others have told me - their sound is slightly improved).
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another funny statment,I'm note a genelec fan ,but to compare them to hifi systems is ridiculous, as for the dynaudio they have well defined trebles |
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OK, it was a slight exageration (you know, suspension of disbelief and all), but seriously, Dynaudio and Genelec have NOTHING on Adam treble-wise. They sound both colored, inaccurate and sometimes even muddled when compared side to side (and yes, I have done a side-to-side comparison of the BM6as and Adam A7s, as well as Genelec 8030 to BM6as - so I'm talking about something I checked prior to buying my monitors).
Let me add that you can make either form of music with either one as these are all great speakers. I'm just saying that you should choose a speaker that fits best your needs unless you intend to spend a shitload of money on superspeakers like the Klein + Hummel O 400Ds.
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dynaudio is a brand very much loved by dance music producers. but the bm5 is certainly not the most commonly found set of monitor in project studios. |
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I never said otherwise. No arguement there. I'm trying to keep this relevant to psytrance, and there just aren't enough producers making other types of music that I know to make such a statement about other speakers.
You weren't harsh - but you're a Dynaudio fanboy and I'm an Adam fanboy (S2As here, my preeshhhhioooooooosssss). My main suggestion - listen for yourself. Check them out with reference tracks you know by heart, try and compare them side to side if possible. Most stores carrying Adam speakers have also at least one pair of Dynaudios just so you can compare between the competition and the real deal - so no offence taken
btw: my reference tracks:
1) Squarepusher - 50 Cycles
Adams are the hands-down best here, you just miss a shitload of detail in the trebles on other speakers. I thought this track was awesome before hearing it on Adam speakers, now I think this may just be one of the best tracks in history.
2) 808 State - Flow Coma (AFX remix)
The 303 sounds a bit too awesome on the Genelecs, the rhythm is slightly sharper on Adams, Dynaudio gets the groove right... Couldn't choose a clear cut favorite here, but I felt a bit more comfortable with the Adams.
3) Shiva Chandra - Acht Achtel
Genelec win. Wow. This is the one track where they blew me away. Adams make this track sound too dry, Dynaudio make this track be all about the (rather awesome) kick+bass.
4) Hooloovoo - Organic Mechanic
The Adams were the only ones that translated this one uncolored.
5) Shpongle - Around the World in a Tea Daze
Subjectively speaking, the Adam speakers make this track least enjoyable - but hell, monitors are a tool, not a toy.
6) Murcof - Memoria
Dynaudios surprised me here not too dry, not too colored, just right. I expected this track to fit the Genelecs like a glove, but I was wrong.
7) Koxbox - Geomancer
Genelecs accent the sweeter details of this track - but we're not talking hi-fi. I thought the Adam A7s were underwhelming here. Dynaudio win by default. Adam S2As kicked so much ass with this track though, but that's not what we're talking about.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 15:29
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On 2007-03-03 14:22, kaz wrote:
... unless you intend to spend a shitload of money on superspeakers like the Klein + Hummel O 400Ds.
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Just a small precision here: The O300D's are more accurate than the O400D's. The O400D's have been discontinued or will be discontinued soon because they are an older design.
Guess what I am getting as new monitors. 
Another small note: The Adam speakers have a narrower dispersion in the high frequencies. This good in rooms that don't have ideal acoustic treatment as you will get less reflections. It also means that the sweet spot is narrower which can be a disadvantage if more than one person needs to hear things at the same time.
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 15:31
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will do, this week I'll spend a day at the studio shop of my friend, he's got them all in expo. and i 'll tell you guys what I think about it.
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well i think it depends of the tweater in this case since its differrent, they adjusted the crossover to best suit. I'mnot gonna pretend to know much about it so i give this link that I came across while looking for the answer.its about the crossover freq while building speakers and as eg he takes a 6.5Inch system
http://www.speakerbuilder.net/web_files/Articles/xover%20article/xpointmain.htm
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BIUS
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 15:37
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i never heard both. however i use Genelec 1030A (sorry a little escape from 8030 vs BM5a topic) i would say these monitors are amazing in such detail from unbelievable low freq for it's size, detail mids, crystal clear hi . but i don't think are the best in mastering (or perhaps its just because a lack of my knowledge of mastering). the reason is whenever i play most (not all) trax that is already sound good in genelec, when i play it in other speakers such in friend house, friend cars etc (which i like to do to test my trax), the trax become a mess. i was kind of pissed. i have a feeling its because of the room space design did not match the adjustment in my monitors. i did however tweak a little to meet the foams design for sound to travel, everything perfect. i am confuse. but when friends come to play their trax in my 1030A, i have to say that they are surprised and amazed (happily) with the sound that they never heard before include sound fx that richer that they expect and they heard in their monitor. this is crazy. maybe i should move my 1030A to the living room for sound enjoyment not for work. surprisingly i once use cheap $100 computer speakers harman kardon to make some trax in in my working trip cuz they are small and easy to carry. i have to say, the sound not that bad. oh people told that adam is killer for psytrance that loads with sharp mid and clean bass and percs, and dyaudio (in general is good in detail highs. i am learning ...
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BIUS
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 15:42
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oh what are those proffesional master says about? i am curious of their opinnion (if they willing to share ) there is no such big bang, everything is the center of expansion |
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C3PO
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 21:28
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For hip-hop I wouldn't recommend any of these speakers, for full-on I'd go with Dynaudio, and for progressive with Genelec. |
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Thanks for the laugh, sometimes it can be so amazingly surprising what you can read on internet forums those days, it's incredible. Just imagine the "greatest speakers dilemma" of a commercial studio that works with a wide range of different music genres:
"Hey Mike, we're having a full-on session in 15 minutes, get us a pair of Dynaudios ready asap! Oh, and take those hip-hop Mackies back to the basement because we have no free space left on the meterbridge. Btw, i'm afraid we'll have to rent a pair of Genelecs for tonight's progressive session, because we don't have them in stock at the moment"
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 22:14
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On 2007-02-18 16:26, kaz wrote:
For hip-hop I wouldn't recommend any of these speakers, for full-on I'd go with Dynaudio, and for progressive with Genelec. |
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Thanks for the laugh, sometimes it can be so amazingly surprising what you can read on internet forums those days, it's incredible. Just imagine the "greatest speakers dilemma" of a commercial studio that works with a wide range of different music genres:
"Hey Mike, we're having a full-on session in 15 minutes, get us a pair of Dynaudios ready asap! Oh, and take those hip-hop Mackies back to the basement because we have no free space left on the meterbridge. Btw, i'm afraid we'll have to rent a pair of Genelecs for tonight's progressive session, because we don't have them in stock at the moment" |
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Usually, I'm a nice guy and don't reply to these things, but I'm in a terrible mood and feel that turning the other cheek and not telling someone off at the moment is outside the range of my generosity. So, allow me to retort.
You sir, are a moron.
You either flunked second grade reading comprehension, or have a pathetic little dick and are trying to compensate for it. I don't say this lightly, but when someone said once "thinking before speaking is a sign of intelligence" he probably had a picture of you in his head. While he died a few hundred years ago, I'm sure that this unbound stupidity of yours has reached throughout the ages, until it hit him in the head and he had to tell the world of this, trying to prevent you from ever attempting to communicate with the outside world. Alas, he failed (obviously, as then he wouldn't have said it in the first place and then we'd have a slight temporal paradox on our hands).
Let's assume for one minute that you DO know what you're talking about. Try producing hip-hop on one of these speakers and you'll say "hey... I wish the woofer was at least 8 inches, there's no fucking way I'll get the beat down as well as Dr. Dre like this". There's a huge difference between speakers, even the higher-end ones, and obviously your amusement at this fact pleads my case of your ignorance - and in talking about it, your stupidity, as parading ignorance is a sign of that (or of super-orthodox religion, in which case you wouldn't be on the internet).
Allow me to paste the reply about this exact comment taking out the "confusing" bits of the text out, as reading seems not to be your strong side.
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Simple enough - full-on depends nearly solely on the bass for rhythm, and in this Dynaudio are the best solution. As for progressive, the rhythm is more evenly divided around frequencies, and IMO the Genelecs are better suited for this. I say this after testing them, not just as a wild guess. Frankly, I think that a combination of Adam A7s + Sub8 would be better (and cheaper) than the Dynaudio BM6a (haven't heard the MKII yet, but from what others have told me - their sound is slightly improved).
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Let me add that you can make either form of music with either one as these are all great speakers. I'm just saying that you should choose a speaker that fits best your needs unless you intend to spend a shitload of money on superspeakers like the Klein + Hummel O 400Ds. |
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Let me add that you can make either form of music with either one as these are all great speakers |
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Funny stuff, I get ya. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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