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8 different synths, same bassline. Which type are you?
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klippel
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Posted : Jan 22, 2013 11:54
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On 2013-01-22 06:21, Melange5738 wrote:
I do not understand how you can make a bassline that sounds that good in Sylenth. I understand I am not an expert but even if I add compressors or saturation it will NOT sound that good.
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sorry mate, but if you cannot make a decent bass in sylenth you have to get back to basic sound desing in subtractive synthesis. sylenth is top notch and straight forward. hope the vid can clear things up a bit 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-duZgtk5g
  http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 22, 2013 14:43
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since when compressor make this sound good mate? even the one you see in my avatar don t..even saturator.. crap in crap out !
you need good kick to make good bass,it seems often overlooked , maybe spend more time on your kicks, it s really the sound of both toghter that matter
most problem with kick bass come from monitoring.. you can tweak for hours in a shitty room and get shitty result, while in a good room starting from nothing in 15 minutes you can get great kick bass when you kno what you re doing/ know well the tools.
you need flat response in the room, no big peak or dip in the low /low mids..otherwise it s nightmare |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 01:12
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Making a Psy Bassline with Sylenth1 - by Terrafractyl
-Initialise Preset
-Make sure osc1 is a Saw wave.
-Set amp envelope to be attack=0 Decay=0 Sustain=Full Release=something small.
-setting the release can take a bit of fiddling, you use this to remove click sounds at the end of notes.
-Set the Filter (A) to Low Pass
-Set the resonance of both filters to 0
-Turn on Warm drive on Filter (B)
-Make one of the Mod Envelopes control Filter Cut-off A (or B, or both)
-Set the Attack=0 the Decay=lo w to mid range Sustain=0 Release=similar to before.
-Setting the length of the Decay and the Amount of Filter Envelope are two critical parameters that will require a lot of attention.
-On the mod matrix set velocity to effect Filter cut-off A (or B or Both)
-Both the Mod envelope and the Velocity will now push the filter higher, so you may need to bring both the Filter cut-offs back down to compensate.
-I usually turn Mono Legato mode on and give it a small amount of portamento.
As I said previously, the trickiest part of this bassline patch is setting both the filter cut-off's, the amount of Filter Envelop, the Filter Envelope Decay and how much Velocity affects the filter. As all of these parameters interact and affect each other, it can be a see-sawing procedure, but this is the trick to getting it sitting just right.
Square wave basslines can have a lot of power also, Sometimes it can be nice to mix in some Square to the Saw, to add that extra power.
Sine waves are great for adding sub bass to a bassline. They can be barely heard, but certainly felt when there is a sub woofer about.
I find it is incredibly useful to Set the peak levels of both the Kick and the Bass at a very early stage in the track writing process. I find that if I set it so that both my Kick and my bassline are peaking at around -7dbfs then I wont have to change it much at any point, also when I have finished the track, if all the other elements are sitting well in relation to the Kick/Bass, then I know I wont have to change the volume of anything much at all... all the volume levels should be sitting about right.
Creating a bassline Pattern:
I find it best when writing a psytrance bassline, to add almost constant but subtle variations to a few aspects of the bassline.
-Giving almost every note a slightly different note length is helpful to create a sense of groove within the bassline.
-Giving different velocities (you need to make sure that velocity is affecting Cut-off)
to each note, gives it a more lively feel. Instead of a huge block of sound, you can add contour, shape and life to the bassline.
-The filter Cut-off itself can be modulated in a rhythmic way to liven up the sound even more.
-I tend to use a lot of portamento or pitch-bends in my basslines to create that rubber bassline kind of thing.
-When using portamento, ensure that you have mono legato mode switched on, or the filter envelope will re-trigger on every note and will sound unnatural. Now however, when you overlap notes in a midi editor it will bend (according to the portamento setting) but the filter cut-off may be sitting to low by the time it reaches the second note, so to hear this sweep, you may need to automate the filter cut-off up a little to compensate for the lack of filter envelope.
-Using pitch bend is in a way easier, as you have a more precise control over the speed of bend, but you will still need to automate the filter cut-off, like before to be able to hear long notes with bends. Also it is perhaps more annoying editing in the midi Pitch-bend lane than playing with overlapping midi notes and the portamento section.
-Sometimes really fast rolls (32nd notes) in a bassline can be very effective, but note that almost any time you place really fast notes next to each other, it will sound unnatural unless it is in some way faded in. (maybe velocity, volume, or filter cut-off)
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Melange5738
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 02:32
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klippel: thanks, that helped alot. If anyone has tutorials that dwells deeper on Sylenth I would love to see them.
PoM: well, given that the kick and base is in the same frequency range a seemingly insignificant sidechain comp can do wonders on a crummy baseline. I do not have a professional setup so when I tweak a button there might be a world of stuff I do not hear in my headphones. |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 14:46
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Melange5738
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 19:21
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Sylenth1 is a very good synth, I use it for about 3 month now and gettinger deeper into synthesis is much fun, it's capable of a lot of sounds, best example is the acid tutorial
(well its subtractive but the overall sound is also very nice, it can really sound thick and fat)
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Thanks, I had not seen the Acid tutorial. However, the difficulty for me is to control the more subtle stuff in clear bass lines and such. I get the basic stuff such as cutoff and envelopes but my sylenth bass lines tend to be a little "burry" if you catch my drift. |
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Fakso
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 19:50
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On 2013-01-23 19:21, Melange5738 wrote:
Thanks, I had not seen the Acid tutorial. However, the difficulty for me is to control the more subtle stuff in clear bass lines and such. I get the basic stuff such as cutoff and envelopes but my sylenth bass lines tend to be a little "burry" if you catch my drift.
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Note length? steril due to notes that are just totally in time? (on the grid)
or missing low end eq? I tend to cut my basses at 45-55hz, maybe some other freqs that blur the sound?
kick and bass working right together?
because if you set the cutoff low and then apply a snappy env to it (little decay) the mids become very sharp and clean in sylenth
just try/experiment and read, after I found out that basses have to be plucked, I got sylenth and from then on it took me these 3 months to get some decent basses and I spend a lot of my freetime with music making |
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Melange5738
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Posted : Jan 23, 2013 20:48
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Fakso:
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Note length? steril due to notes that are just totally in time? (on the grid)
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Myeah but if I run the same line on Alien303 it should not make a night and day difference right?
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or missing low end eq? I tend to cut my basses at 45-55hz, maybe some other freqs that blur the sound?
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That is what I thought but Nectarios said he had not used any EQ on the samples in the first post so I assume now that I should focus on the primary settings in the synth.
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kick and bass working right together?
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Well, yeah it is not rocket science exactly.
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because if you set the cutoff low and then apply a snappy env to it (little decay) the mids become very sharp and clean in sylenth
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I will sit with it tonight I guess.
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