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8 different synths, same bassline. Which type are you?
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:14
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at gearslutz some years ago i remember a blind shoutout was made,it was for the best raw osc sound out of few synth, or which one is the model D something like this if i remember .model D ended first the most loved ,then if i remember i think jupiter 8 ended second and funny the phatty ended at better place before voyager and studio electronics synth |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:15
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:18
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indeed it sound better to me on that test |
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Djones
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Posted : Dec 6, 2012 21:49
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On 2012-11-29 22:43, Nectarios wrote:
Regarding the Phatty sample: I recorded the midi file, then simply chose the notes to copy over. The pattern has 3 notes and out of the root note, there are 3 different velocity settings. So I just selected 6 notes to build the bassline loop.
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Usually I just take one sample for each note and and after I've reconstructed the pattern with that sample I edit the volume for each note manually to get the groove going.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 6, 2012 22:06
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indeed it dont sounded great like this, almost like a free runing osc.
to pick good sample just use a audio editor as it s not easy to know wich note will be good just by earing it. select samples with the osc phase at zero degree but after depends what sound you go for.. |
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Djones
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Posted : Dec 6, 2012 22:20
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On 2012-12-06 22:06, PoM wrote:
to pick good sample just use a audio editor as it s not easy to know wich note will be good just by earing it
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That's how I do it here as well.
And on lower notes it take a little more time to find the right one, because the phase rarely hits zero degrees on the attack. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 6, 2012 22:23
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yes it s a pain ,i sample probably 30 or 40 notes then it s easy to see how the osc phase change in time with the audio editor reconstruction waveform, when it s close to zero i zoom and exctrat the note ,i have find it dont have to necessary start at zero exaclty, when it s close it s good enough..after depends what sound.. some like to adjust phase so it s not at zero or 180 to get a clickier attack, never really liked it for psy bass,but for drums it s usefull. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 6, 2012 23:10
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btw man could you sample me a G 49hz saw filter full open 1 bar around 120 bpm lenght if you don't mind? just curious about the saw.. if you have some time would be great |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 00:59
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By the way the best sounding note is not the one closer to 0 degrees on the attack, Just make sure you choose one sample for each note (at each filter settings) and build your bassline on that. Find the best sounding sample at each note for each filter setting, then use that to build the loop.
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makus
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 10:16
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replying without reading the thread first
#1, 2 and 8 sound amazing, #3 works perfectly with the kick, it just has its groove. musically i prefer this one.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 16:09
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# 1, 3 and 2, sound very well, in that order and kick fit perfectly with basslines.
Nectarios you can share the project with us? So we can study and learn more about bassline construction.
Thanks for great topic.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 16:57
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the mid/high of the 8 sound very digital ,was surprised many like it. this test is a bit flawded in term of result as you can judge by listening with the kick and vote for the one that drive it best (how the synth is programed matter a lot ) or listening the bass in solo and vote for the raw caractere and for this i find 8 really fail. personnaly my fav are 1 and 5 in term of caractere and don't really like any of the other raw sound for psy bass but 2 and 3 are decent but not the holy grail . |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 19:01
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Its not a test to judge once and for all, which one is best. I could have had the filter a little bit different on one synth, than the other, which favored it in some people.
I made the first few bars of just the bassline, without a kick and then with a kick, just to show both the bassline on its own and with a kick. I could have used a different kick that favored different basslines than the ones it did work with.
Its just a small demo, of a small aspect of bassline programming for each synth, not THE decisive test of which synth is best.
Personally I did not think sample 8 was anything special, but as the saying goes, "one man's garbage is another man's treasure".
What this test showed to me, is that most people just like digital synths more, these days. Which is fair enough, every one likes what they likes.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 20:47
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On 2012-12-07 19:01, Nectarios wrote:
What this test showed to me, is that most people just like digital synths more, these days. Which is fair enough, every one likes what they likes.
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yeah maybe you re right, could be part of the explaination of why so much psytrance don't sound good to me.
could be also cause for lot of ppl using a 303 plugin or the real thing is the same hence then no wonder i don t like the sound of lot of psytrance..if for these guys the small pourcentage of quality don't matter ..it will always sound kind of compromised and amateurish . |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 7, 2012 21:01
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Which is why I am obsessed with using hardware and using lots of analog synths and FX, even if people can't tell the difference, or simply don't like that sound, I love it.
There is nothing wrong with that though, people like it, some people got into psytrance when it was all Virus presets and love that sound. Its what people have grown to like. Its like when I got into dance music and all I was hearing was real analog synths with space to breath in a mix.
Different generations, different tastes.
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