8 different synths, same bassline. Which type are you?
Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 01:51
I have multisampled the SH-101 I had through an AMS Neve DPD 1073 and added some slight top end from a Massenburg GML 8200 (but mainly just wanted to pass the SH through that to get some of its character in the signal. I sampled 3 octaves worth of notes so that I don't get the artifacts from using a few notes per 8ve. Open VCF, jsut sampled the VCO.
Still though I am confident that using the on board VCF, beats using a digital emulation, at least if you want that raw analog sound.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 02:42
It sounds like you did something weird with the length of the notes or envelope settings on the Phatty example.
It surely doesn't roll very well with the kick.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 04:47
I liked a lot 4 and 7 before i notice which synths their are for real from the post. Number 4 i noticed that analog sound and liked it very much because of deepness. Only it sound need some tweake before maybe working full effort. I'v been planning to get some moog synth for long time anyway..
Number seven was suprise it was actually nord lead, because i had one, but i never made any basses with it, maybe i should.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 08:16
cheers for the effort nectarios, quite enlightening!
its definitely not easy to say which is which without knowing (except for some bad sounding ones like the nord in this case)
for fast 16th psy bass analog is not really another league.
would be interesting to make such a comparison for a psychedelic dub bass melody with lots of room for subs and longer sustaines notes for more timbre to hear the differences better..
i had a slim phatty for some time and that is the only thing i miss from it, the depth and punch of sub bass for slow grooves..
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 11:49
i think it s more these examples, Nectarios tried to demonstrate are high are the peak more than mixing well the bass and kick in term of level .
these are also not well sampled i think cause in the tune he used the phatty it drive the kick perfeclty fine.
not sure if he did the test fast.. but also the sample dont do justice to the nord if it sound like a nord2 ,nord 2 was a decent psy bass mashine that cut very well and don't need much processing, i enjoyed it more for bass than my virus C for example .
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 12:10
about digital/analog, imo some analog oscillator are superioir for psy bass (thought some plugins are very close and maybe in same league, synth like ace for example, or maybe diva..)
somethign that is overlooked by lot of producer, it s like a instrument or recoding a singer.. you record it straigt via the interface it won t sound great and no where neer the result of a pro studio... now run the signal into the appropried gears and the sound can go in a other league ,become close to perfect.
thought it s a lot money just for few pourcents of quality with each gears .. maybe not really worht it ,depends how much you love what it can bring, in the end it s a lot about personal satisfaction and getting pleased.. as wiht plugins it s possible to get really great result..and some other stuff like acoustic will matter more about balance and all this, as no tools can really help for this
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 13:43
I see your points PoM, but look at the results.. or - the most likings went for softsynths.. I think for psytrance the analogue synths are not really a higher league.. Atleast when it comes to bass..
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 14:55
I recorded the samples fast. Which yes does not give the free running oscillator synths, justice.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 15:04
I think (because of this result) it can be because people has been use to softsynths and their sound that much that their are starting to dislike analog sound..
But anyway i'm making slower beat nowdays so to me analog sounds better ofcourse.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 16:03
It is not a matter of people disliking analog, imo. Its just that software has gotten pretty good at emulating analog and in cases like the typical single saw trance bassline, having oscillator phase re-trigger is extremely practical, which most good soft synths, have.
Also add to the fact that most people (in this forum at lest) have no real experience with analog synths and dont realize that it takes effort to make analog synths fit in a modern psy-trance mix.
Even tho people in here thought otherwise, my personal favorite was synth 5. I like the quirks going on in that bassline, which was mostly recorded that way as I had the VCF velocity sensitivity at max, thus gave wild cut-off fluctuations at the different velocity triggers.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 17:30
it s also cause the modern analog are very close to va, for me their are like perfect va technically as they dont alias. but it s not analog sound like what you get from a minimoog a prophet 5 system 100m... i heard comparaison of the pro one, and my Xs , it pissed all over my Xs that piss already all over plugins for some sounds. it s not high end analog synths, you have to go macbeth or stuff that cost a arm and a legg to get synth that compare..but these newer analog are still great for many sounds..each synth bring something but for analog purist even voyager sound crap compared to a model D.
personally i really like the phatty caractere in these sample, i feel it could have been the best for almost everyone with lower volume and just with one sample note for more stable sound.. moog bass really rox ..try the saw in omnishpere the good one..it s one of the best source sound i heard ..but after it s taste
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 17:40
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On 2012-11-30 17:30, PoM wrote:
it s also cause the modern analog are very close to va, for me their are like perfect va technically as they dont alias. but it s not analog sound like what you get from a minimoog a prophet 5 system 100m... i heard comparaison of the pro one, and my Xs , it pissed all over my Xs that piss already all over plugins for some sounds. it s not high end analog synths, you have to go macbeth or stuff that cost a arm and a legg to get synth that compare..but these newer analog are still great for many sounds..each synth bring something but for analog purist even voyager sound crap compared to a model D
Agreed, if I had the money I would defo get a Mac Beth or some modular with Livewire AFGs on...but its just too expensive for me.
With the analogs the VAs and soft synths I have decide to use, I have hit a sweet spot of quality, versatility and practicality in my studio. I am content with synths right now.
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 17:58
i like them all...
each one have different character...
its great that you post the basses as they are...raw direct from the source a really nice example.
thanks Nectarie!
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:02
my favourites were 2,8,1 and 3. thanks nectarious, quite interesting.
in retrospect the moog phatty sounds pretty good too
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Posted : Nov 30, 2012 18:08
I re did the Phatty with slightly less attack and longer release on the amp and lower modulation index on the ADSR that modulates the VCF to get rid of them weird VCF tones that you guys don't like, but I love
