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golem
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 02:52:40
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I suppose there might have been discussion about this also in Isratrance, but search did not give me anything.
I just recently realized that when I dont hear music at all for hours, all melodies going around in my head are tuned to about 432hz. I notice this by after a long silence starting to sing, recording it and then comparing to a synth, it was never in tune..., until today I for the first time changed the synth from 440 to 432 and noticed that now they are in tune.
Here is an article associated to it.
http://www.omega432.com/music.html
Now the question is, how many people nowadays in electronic music (and especially psytrance) produce stuff in the 432 scale, what do you think...? I mean if you are in the minority, your tunes would make the life of a DJ difficult. I mean if a DJ will want a perfect harmonic mixing for the whole duration of the set it would not be possible. Of course even if everything was in 440hz it would still be practically impossible if there are many BPM tunes.
Even if 432hz sound better it would make workflow more difficult. Most synths are in default tuned to 440hz and some synths (like Sylenth that I use very much) do not have a global tune control for easily tuning the synth and for multi-oscillator pathes retuning them would be a pain in the ass. Maybe it is easier if you have tune already finished and in the end you change tuning to 432 but I would not want to do such a major change in the end, you might even need to mix the whole thing again or there could come some issues.
Does anybody of you think that it would be still worth it, composing in 432?
 
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Kryten
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 03:26
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Thats a really intresting link there. At first I thought this is again something too spiritual/esoteric for my liking, but when I did read further it got intresting.
The part with the frequencies of A,D and E all dividable by 3 when A tuned to 432 really got me then....magic numbers, hehe.
I dont know though if there is any electronic music in 432, and I agree that it would be a hard task tuning everything right with those tools we have.
I cant even imagine how to do that properly if Im hones.
If there would be any electronic, or even psymusic, in 432, I would really like to hear it, to see if theres any major difference in the feeling....
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Kryten
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 04:18
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I just had a quick test in Ableton to see how one could tune to this.
I created a MIDI track and put Voxengo SPAN on it. Then I used Operator to create a sine wave and put it on A.
Span showed exactly 440Hz and also showed me that 432Hz would be minus 32 cent. Unfortunately Operator only allows finetuning upwards, so I could not turn it down by 32 cents.
With Zebra2 I had more luck though, there I was able to tune it down to 432Hz.
I checked the C then and it was also at 256Hz, as it should be then.
So, once tuned you could probably do your usual stuff then and it would be "correctly" tuned.
I could try to make default presets for my synths who allow this...then it should be no problem at all.
I did read a bit more on the history of this too, and after I read who was mainly responsible for this 440Hz tuning to be established in Europe I really begin to understand that it must be wrong 
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 07:05
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orgytime
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 15:25
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Kryten
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Posted : Dec 11, 2011 23:51
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I havent used any pitchshifter plugs yet. Is there a free, small one that just lets you tune by cents? That on the master should indeed work I think.
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orgytime
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Posted : Dec 12, 2011 00:21
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 04:08
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Not a good idea to put a pitch shifter on stereo sum. You'll get phasing effects, because the plug in tries to effect all feeds in real time.
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Kryten
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 05:49
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Hm, since many synths can be tuned only putting this on tracks which cant be tuned without should work though.
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 07:36
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I limit myself to create nice and dancey tunes...
Tweaking tuning won't make your bassline moar killarg, your leads driving nor will it spice up your hihats... and no, it won't heal dna, cosmic teleport or any other esoteric objectives.
There was a time when this interested me a lot, but i have much more important skills to upgrade before getting into tuning alternatives.
I do believe sonic healing and therapy is possible but would't know if one can successfully integrate it into psytrance.
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aje
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 11:59
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On 2011-12-13 07:36, aciduss wrote:
I limit myself to create nice and dancey tunes...
Tweaking tuning won't make your bassline moar killarg, your leads driving nor will it spice up your hihats... and no, it won't heal dna, cosmic teleport or any other esoteric objectives.
There was a time when this interested me a lot, but i have much more important skills to upgrade before getting into tuning alternatives.
I do believe sonic healing and therapy is possible but would't know if one can successfully integrate it into psytrance.
Just my 2cents.
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Padmapani
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 17:34
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what a load of bullshit in that article. i am a molecular biologist and DNA does not protect itself through oscillations, but through binding to proteins, that stabilise its structure. and the cochlea is not responsible for balance, but only for hearing. the part of the inner ear responsible for balance is the vestibular system. and while the text says that the spiral shape of the cochlea is found "planet wide in a majority natural organic based life.", that is only true for mammals.
i kinda stopped reading after so that, but "the use of A=440Hz as possible mind control in mass media" and "angel 'Micheal' sun tone energy"... seriously, wtf?!?
but if you want to produce 432hz music (after all the bass is deeper if you tune your track lower), why not make your life easier and pitch shift the whole mix after it is finished.
i guess when listening at home it will sound a bit out of tune, but as dj mixes aren't that perfect most of the time (at least at the parties in my area) i guess it won't be a problem in a dj set. |
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Suloo
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 18:28
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in cubase you can even use a midi plugin wich shifts the scale of the wanted amount just insert it on midi insert and your done..
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 05:07
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