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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 12:11
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It's more than a couple of years pro producers have been using 24 bit.
The use of 16 bit for mixing and multitrack recording was a short period and pretty much every digital multitrack recorder and mixer except som very early models users a higher bit depth than 16.
And billy...I can confidently say that with a track that is recorded and processed in 24 bit and then dithered down to 16 bit the difference will compared to the original 24 bit recording be smaller than if you use 16 bit for recording you individual tracks.
So instead of waiting for progress of new formats and going on rumours on what producers use 16 bit I would say you should first understand and embrace the progress that is already a reality.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 15:23
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OK.
i`ll argue no more..
the future is here! wellcom progression!
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Fingax
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 17:23
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24 and always looking for more..
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Fingax
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 17:28
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On 2005-06-01 12:13, S.D6 wrote:
24 bit is for better quality but the problam here is that most of the player's cant play 24 bit because they are programed to work on 16 bit....
if you send it to the mastering you must send it on 24 bit..
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if the player dont play 24 bits thats because the soundcard driver is not set up propelly. if ur sound card play 24 bit u must go to all sound programs and change the driver to the 24bit sound card.
shure i listen 24 bit in most players..
sometimes if i want to listen 22.000 HZ or 8 bit soundz i cant do it with the 24bit soundcard so its the oposite with lower kuality. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 17:38
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it's useless to discuss this...
everyone should use the biggest bit depth and sample rate they're daw and software support
there's no bonus in using less quality for a whole mix
i know producers that reduce the depth of single samples to get a "harsher" sound or a kind of distortion effect or even to replicate the sound of early samplers (might be usefull for trip-hop, rap, hiphop, maybe tecno, etc) but surely is not the road psy trance is following
sometimes you can get evil sounding snare by reducing the bit depth or just pure noise, but for a whole mix go as high-quality you can get
in the end get a *Quality* converter to get it to 16bits/44hz or the friendly mastering house will do it for you (if they're mastering for CD)
i think some CD-Players don't even do 16 bits, most have simpler DACs (and there are little *true* 24 bits DACs too just for the matter).
also mixing 16 bits for DVD would be strange if you can go 24...
if you're playing you're tracks live would be strange to have them at 16 bits too if you can go 24 or 32
that's the motive you should mix at the best quality you can because only mastering should be media dependent.
joao
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 17:44
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yeah.. 8 bit snares sound cool  with all those fucked transients (??)
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 17:48
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On 2005-06-06 22:24, nolightatend wrote:
You can't hear the difference between 16bit and 24bit sample with human ear but you can detect it with digital equipment. |
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the biggest difference in 16 bits (to 24) is the lack of dinamic range wich should be felt in the atack of intruments (when playing single samples or instruments, mixing is a whole deal techically).
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 18:59
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if you decrease the bit rate of a 24b sample to 16 you probably not hear it but feel it
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Fingax
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 18:49
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On 2005-06-09 17:33, nolightatend wrote:
Fingax, i'm quite sure you wrong here. You can even work on lower sample and bit rates with modern sound cards. Listen you can for sure.
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i have friends well known artists and succeddeed and they also work with 16.. but is just cause the size and is possible to make very good stuff in 16 bit rate, but COME ON, what u make in 16 bits u can make in 24 same way and u get more detail of same sound.. is physycal.. no way to turn arround..
of course if u work with low volumes and not good material maby 16 bits is better for u and can "mask" better that lack of something(in fact it only dont reproduce the other 8 bit of detail, the sound is the same) its like a picture with more pixels..
im always looking for more man.. thats the thing about digital.. its always developing.. we're so far of gr8 stuff man yet... im still waiting for the kuality that makes u feel like the insttruments are inside the tape rather than sound completely recorded if u see what i meen 
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Fingax
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 18:52
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On 2005-06-09 17:33, nolightatend wrote:
Fingax, i'm quite sure you wrong here. You can even work on lower sample and bit rates with modern sound cards. Listen you can for sure.
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sorry my last answer didnt have any queston 
about this question. Rme hdsp multiface dont  24 bit/96 khz, but not lower then 44100... is relly bad cause soe stremings are in this sample rate in net for exemple.. |
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