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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 09:38
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Hey All ..
I Lorn At School That In The Beginig Of a New Project Must Change And Put The Program On 24 Bit For Better Listening At The Producing Time And In The End Of The Finnal/Ready Track And Before Burnn It To Wav File (Or What Ever) Must Take It Down Back To 16 . I Know From Most Of My Friends Or Peoples That Making Music That They Are All Start On 16 Bit From The Begining WithOut Doing That (Or Ppl's Just Dont Know That Maybe) . But I Can Say That Im Allways Can Hear The Change Of What That Made & Done On 16 Or 24 . Allso When I send Stuf's To Mastering Must Burnn It Again From The Producing Prog' In To The Wav File On 24 Bit For Better Work And Listen For Them And Then In The End Of Mastering They R Change It Back Before Releast To 16 . At The Same Time Ther Is Only 1 Program (Player) That I Can Hear That Quality (Winamp , I didt Find Others - No Windows Media Player Or Eny . No One Have This Tecnology But Them ?). So .. Dont Forget Starting Your Projects On 24 For a Better Quality For Yours And Our Ears :) . Happy New Morning .. ! . Yoko
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Honguito
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 11:31
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Thanks for the tip there man! This was a little bit confusing to me before but from now on I know! Have a great day!  |
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S.D6 (Yakir .B.)
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 12:13
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24 bit is for better quality but the problam here is that most of the player's cant play 24 bit because they are programed to work on 16 bit....
if you send it to the mastering you must send it on 24 bit.. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 12:45
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Phewwww... can't read that... Maybe you should write all caps and then change it to something suitable for reading before hitting the submit button???
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 22:52
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Hey S.D6
Yes And No .. Sure About The Mastering Part But Im Talking On The Producing Part (lots Of Peoples Dont Know Or Forget And Then The Quality In The End Of The Track Is More Low)There Is An Option To 24 Bit In Ther And Normaly When That U Are Opening/Start With a New Project So Outomaticly Is Coming On 16 Bit . U Must Change It Manual . What I Say Here That Before U Pass It In To a Wav File (In The End Of The Project !) From The Cubase Take It Back To 16 And Then Tape It Wav U Will Hear It On Eny System , You Dont Need It On 24 Bit In There (On Cubase) When The Project Is Done (Only For Working And Hearing The Producing Much Better And Well) .
Honguito Im Happy That I Help .
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 23:11
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But I thought that what you are hearing in your sequencer is 32 bit floating point?
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parapsyched
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 23:23
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i work 32bit float. when doing a final mixdown i do it in 16bit (cause thats cd quality).
about mastering well... that realy depends on who`s doing the mastering for u. each mastering technician prefers it different. some prefer to get it 16. some prefer getting it in higher qulity and degrade it to 16bit at the final final final mixdown.
p.s
don`t know which sequencer u`r using. but in cubase u can change project setup to be 32 or 24 bit as a deafualt
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
"dream is destiny"
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Pavel
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 23:27
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Sorry, i can't read it. Why not proper English?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 23:40
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S.D6 (Yakir .B.)
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 01:34
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On 2005-06-01 23:40, New Era Scientist wrote:
Cardinals Carttel - please dont use big letters in every new word..
http://www.geocities.com/f_pollett/i-17-1.htm
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/NOUNS5.cfm
its very hard to read what you write when the capitol letters takes all your attention...
so my friend write with small letters and read the links so you know when to use capitol letters
good points about 24 bit depth, even better is to use a higher sample rate aswell!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 02:10
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nolightatend - hehe you are funny and i agree about being able to explain is very important..
and about my nickname having capitol letters for every new word is to put weight in the name...and it looks cool... you cant compare it with a 200 words text.. but maybe you can,... its your brain!
Do You Understand Me? 
i got a text here from adobe auditions manual thats is ultra educational... for those who wants a easy explaination...
"Just as the sample rate determines the frequency resolution, the bit depth determines the amplitude resolution. A bit is a computer term meaning a single number that can have a value of either zero or one. A single bit can represent two states, such as on and off. Two bits together can represent four different states: zero/zero, one/zero, zero/one, or one/one. Each additional bit doubles the number of states that can be represented, so a third bit can represent eight states, a fourth 16, and so on.
Amplitude resolution is just as important as frequency resolution. Higher bit depth means greater dynamic range, a lower noise floor, and higher fidelity. When a waveform is sampled, each sample is assigned the amplitude value closest to the original analog wave. With a resolution of two bits, each sample can have one of only four possible amplitude positions. With three-bit resolution, each sample has eight possible amplitude values. CD-quality sound is 16-bit, which means that each sample has 65,536 possible amplitude values. DVD-quality sound is 24-bit, which means that each sample has 16,777,216 possible amplitude values."
"Higher bit depths provide greater dynamic range"
i think its a good and easy explaination! of course there are many factors and one could go in depth if wanted...
i guess this topic has been discussed many times before so a search is always worth a try
but here is some links that can be interesting!
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may98/articles/digital.html
its 6 parts and part two explains the "bits"
here is more fun!
http://www.mtsu.edu/~djbrown/4200.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/digital_audio.html
nolightatend lets hope this covers it
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jun 6, 2005 10:59
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can any one tell me whats the use of working 24 bit if all of my samples are in 16 bit?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 6, 2005 14:15
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@billy ambulance
It has been explained in countless threads already.
But here we go again...
The mixing and processing is never done in 16 bit, modern sequencers and plugins work in higher resolutions.
Even if you for some reason have only 16 bit files when producing you still will have a higher resolution after mixing and processing.
Think about processing images in photoshop.
Take a low-res image, mix it together with other low-res images and apply som plugins.
If you do the same but increase the resolution to a higher resolution before you do the processing you will clearly see that you get a better quality image.
Also, to record your master or bounce down as 16 bit you need to convert the sound back from 32 bit.
In the process of converting a higher resolution down to 16 you would normally apply dither since simply truncating is not considered good practice.
But applying dither more than once and on more than one track is bad.
So in your bounced tracks the dither will add up degrade the signal.
If your master is a dithered 16 bit file the mastering studio will have to blow it up to higher bit depth for processing, and the effect of the dither will be destroyed when you process the file, so they will have the choice of reapplying dither or truncating the file. Neither of those options will do your track any favours.
Many labels will simply refuse to release your track if you only have a 16 bit master.
I really do not get it why this even have to be discussed over and over again.
My 800Mhz laptop with 256Mb and a small slow internal HD can manage perfectly well to work in 24bit, so preformance cannot be an issue unless you are using a ten year old computer I would think.
It's been widespread practice in pro audio to work in higher resolution than the expected end format for more than a decade.
If you cannot grasp the theory yourself then just trust the fact that no professional producers in the audio industry work in 16 bit nowadays for a reason.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jun 6, 2005 16:50
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i dont really hear the diference between 16 to 24.
even tho i work at 24 bit rate.
b.t.w
i heard that infected mushroom works in 16 bit.
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