Chimp in Space
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Posted : Jun 1, 2011 12:19:02
Hi Guys
I have lately cut all my leads and most stuff at 15 khz. Do anyone else do this?
And mostly I put a multiband compressor on my supersaw leads. With gain reduction at -6db at mids and -3db on the highs.And then I manually do the make up gain if needed. How do you guys process your leads? O yeah I also like having a stereo spread either in the synth like in vanguard or upstereo in the fx/audio chain.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2011 12:31
Not sure it is a good idea. You might end up lacking air and brightness in the mix. Sure if you have a harsh lead or sample you will cut or shelve it, but to cut everything might play bad trick with the whole mix and feeling.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2011 14:23
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On 2011-06-01 12:31, makus wrote:
Not sure it is a good idea. You might end up lacking air and brightness in the mix. Sure if you have a harsh lead or sample you will cut or shelve it, but to cut everything might play bad trick with the whole mix and feeling.
+1 i dont think is a good idea, every lead needs its own eqing.
i try to avoid stereo spreading tools, try make them stereo in your synth alrdy.
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Posted : Jun 1, 2011 14:56
i wouldnt do that on everything, i think the best way to get the sound you want is getting as close as you can without eq or compression, using the filters and envelopes on your synths/samplers. i sometimes cut -3db with a very soft roll off, around 18khz, but it depends on the track.
I recomend using waves doubler for stereo spread, its the most precise stereo spread tool ive used, (automating the dry/wet signal and ms delay gives you lots of control for positioning sounds exactly where you want them in the stereo field)
Chimp in Space
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Posted : Jun 1, 2011 15:48
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If a lead has a lot of 'fizz' in the top end, cutting like this can be a very good way of bringing clarity to the top end of a track by freeing up the 'air' region so things like hihats can come through without being too loud. Not every lead sound needs it but many do - especially supersaws with open filters! - and 15KHz is high enough that you don't lose any actual brightness.
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Posted : Jun 2, 2011 01:45
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On 2011-06-01 16:48, Colin OOOD wrote:
If a lead has a lot of 'fizz' in the top end, cutting like this can be a very good way of bringing clarity to the top end of a track by freeing up the 'air' region so things like hihats can come through without being too loud. Not every lead sound needs it but many do - especially supersaws with open filters! - and 15KHz is high enough that you don't lose any actual brightness.
+1
don t be afraid to cut imo,many synths sound like crap depending the patchs even over 10/12khz sometimes it just sound like digital noise or distortion that polluate the spectrum and the mix , frequency masking can make it hard to hear on his own but it still make the mix loose clarity eating some space for some others sounds like hats. if you hpf around 10/12 khz you will hear more easy that it can sound horrible .
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Posted : Jun 2, 2011 02:07
it depends on the lead. i cut the highs just if it doesn't sounds good. sometimes i squeeze my leads with limter to make it cut the mix better without peaks. sometimes i use vintage warmer to make it fatter. sometimes i just boost some frequenices with eq and sometimes i don't do anything. almost always i cut some ringings at th 2500-3000hz area. and also at the low mid area. and of course i cut the low end till 150 hz always. if the lead has lots of power at the bottom so i will cut just till 125-130 hz. but i will always cut the bottom to let the bassline be heard.
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Chimp in Space
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Posted : Jun 2, 2011 02:33
Thanks Guys
All of your answers made my knowledge bigger, and for this I bow.
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Posted : Jul 2, 2011 13:16
I often cut my leads around 15khz, and more often than not there isnt a noticable difference in before/after.
I dont always cut at the same exact frequency, it depends on the instrument, how many others may be peaking aroudn te same freq, and other elements...
I try to only cut what isn't audible or necessary.
Its agood rule of thumb, but don't feel like its 100% necessary or a good thing.
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Posted : Jul 3, 2011 17:09
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On 2011-06-02 02:07, dj chichke wrote:
it depends on the lead. i cut the highs just if it doesn't sounds good. sometimes i squeeze my leads with limter to make it cut the mix better without peaks. sometimes i use vintage warmer to make it fatter. sometimes i just boost some frequenices with eq and sometimes i don't do anything. almost always i cut some ringings at th 2500-3000hz area. and also at the low mid area. and of course i cut the low end till 150 hz always. if the lead has lots of power at the bottom so i will cut just till 125-130 hz. but i will always cut the bottom to let the bassline be heard.
I read that u should always cut below 200hz has a rule so that it wouldn't interfeer with KB Also i'm cutting my leads much lower then 15khz, around 8khz, is it all wrong??!!, not pretending to spam heres the link
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Posted : Jul 3, 2011 19:30
every lead is a single story. i cut when i hear a resonance in "air" area. sometimes spectrum analyzer is a good friend, many "preset" leads have a 3-5dB boost from 14kHz to higher. another situation is when u use a bit reducer - then u need to cut high "harsh" frequencies.
