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11 pages on how it become shit ,now what would you innovate?
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 26, 2013 17:10
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On 2013-07-23 02:20, robbery wrote:
Really interesting thread,
My view is that psychedelic trance is a defined genre, like a sonnet or a haiku, the 12 bar blues song, a novel or a sitcom. All of these genres are defined by the audience and all content creators are constrained in their format by the audience. sonnet, haiku -> the form is strictly defined and not negotiable. Novels and sitcoms have had changing audiences(newspaper syndication to books and television to internet) so the format evolves.
I think that the music has to be trance inducing(not necessarily quantized) and the repetitive kick is essential. I also think a repetitive bass is essential and the music needs to be >130bpm at some point. I also think that this isn't bedroom music, it is meant to drive people into trance in a group setting - so infinitely long airy fairy breaks with too many voice samples are also out.
Places I think producers could innovate? become dissatisfied with the titles producer/dj and become composer/musician. The delivery format (long parties lasting hours/days or long listening sessions at work coding  ) lends itself to longer/more intricate and developed compositions with multiple movements etc. At the moment I listen to tracks and they are usually 6,7,8 minutes or an hour mix of a bunch of tracks, where are the composers with 24 minute psytrance tracks - where is my tubular bells?
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Reading this makes me think of Shpongle: they have some tracks that are huge and Nothing is Lost album is like a continuous stream of sound - a journey. Such things don't come by to often. Most of us make music that suits parties and dj sets, the later plays a big part of course. Some acts are more close to a "concert" then others.
It's funny because most psychedelic music in the sixties was born in the "band" context, differenciation was a big deal if you wanted to "stand out from the crowd". While currently, in the "rave" context and with this psychedelic trance inducing scene, it's more about "keeping the pace", keep the energy flowing and the vibe growing. When it all started, wasn't so much about who was playing, the main deal was to keep it rolling. If it lasts long enough, then people will hit the "magic spot". It isn't so much about who is doing it (at least it wasn't when this all started).
So composers I think of Shpongle. Big streams of party music I think of Goa Gil. His take on this all thing isn't about technique (for sure), but only providing people with enough "bang" so they get into trance - so his dj sets go on for hours and hours. He couldn't do it on his own, that stream of audio comes from many people who have spend their time making music for this kind of ritual - and in such a format, individuality gives way to something else: the major flow of collective criativity. If that even makes sense.
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Posted : Jul 29, 2013 08:39
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I’ve stumbled upon this urban beat production software and was wondering if any of you guys are using it or have tried this before? It looks pretty good and I think a buddy of mine used to produce some of his beats on YouTube.
Here’s the article: http://www.beatmakershq.com/
 act of being creative and losing yourself in music production is just plain GOOD FOR THE SOUL…
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 20:14
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stop doin rollin bass or offbeat basses
not that i dont like it...but in psytrance its so comum to use those 2 kind of bass... be it offbeat with grooves or exoteric rollin bass with triplet ( the variations are also included) ... that tryin to find a different kind of bass that s capable of bein as nice as those before will be quite inovative. fresh for the ears in the parties. as an exemple i have PROCS it s a project that was able to fit a inovative kind of psytrance and part of it comes with the bass that s quite different from all the rest.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 20:24
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lot of people that I met yesterday at an underground goa in hamburg told me similar, that the same bass in psytrance kind of sucks at some point after ages of hearing it. Met one guy from a different music scene - a drummer, he really loved it and stayed till the end with a fat smile, he also mentioned as we talked bout music that the only really lame thing is the damn one note bassline over and over again and even other techno subgenres got almost all more to offer /bass/.
Here it lacks really originality. I personaly also dig and know and like the one note basses but i fully understand when people find it boring and uninteresting. - the bass - and can also agree with them cuz bass can be a complex even story telling instrument as well as other elements.
It would be cool if bass area becomes more creative and people would invest more in the melodic content desing of the basses instead of leaving the basses pretty much the same - trhoughout the whole track, while focusing more - or almost only ,on the rollingness and punch.
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splikz
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 21:32
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demoniac
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 02:05
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splikz
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 03:09
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On 2013-08-05 02:05, demoniac wrote:
Actualy i think that the audience wants more commercial cheesy music....
On the other hand other sub genres get more and more simplified and more closer to the techno and house style than psy.
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splikz
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 03:10
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is it possible to make it commercial .. but not cheesy? |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 03:13
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On 2013-08-04 20:24, TimeTraveller wrote:
lot of people that I met yesterday at an underground goa in hamburg told me similar, that the same bass in psytrance kind of sucks at some point after ages of hearing it. Met one guy from a different music scene - a drummer, he really loved it and stayed till the end with a fat smile, he also mentioned as we talked bout music that the only really lame thing is the damn one note bassline over and over again and even other techno subgenres got almost all more to offer /bass/.
Here it lacks really originality. I personaly also dig and know and like the one note basses but i fully understand when people find it boring and uninteresting. - the bass - and can also agree with them cuz bass can be a complex even story telling instrument as well as other elements.
It would be cool if bass area becomes more creative and people would invest more in the melodic content desing of the basses instead of leaving the basses pretty much the same - trhoughout the whole track, while focusing more - or almost only ,on the rollingness and punch.
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yeah, I've been stressing that point a lot! there's got to be people willing to take chances and push the envelope. would be funny to see some daring label actually presenting the challenge here (no?) to see what could come out of positive and constructive incentive to just "go for it" and try and grab something different for a change. with good enough producers, I'm willing to bet we'd get some fresh air. and the audience, well, they just have to live with it - they may grow to like it, might even be the next trend or something... audiences are created with culture, not the other way around - except for those that are really chasing success by all means |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 15:31
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also the audience would certainly change! The crowd would be again more mixed up between ages and this music would reach waaaay more people who really are intersting in interesting psychedelic music but don't like headaches they prefer to enjoy.
The music has still potential but the monotony of same basslines produces often a tiring effect on people that are actualy fascinating by the psychedelic environment in da compositions.
If there is something more than just the first impression for the youngstars than even the older goa freaks would reappear and new guys would have the chance to explore this music terrain.
The longer you're into it, the more you miss really this mystic basses with all its veriaty from the past IMO. I think this is the biggest difference, and the reason why this music has lost a lot of its charme.
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 17:08
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The kick and bass combo are the lower bodie part, all the rest is upper bodie, at some point u stop listening to the bass, it just keeps your feet moving and gives some swing, and i think it has to do with speed also, the offbeat is slower then rolling, may be heavier depending on note choice and timbre. I like the standart basslines, what i dont like is what some do the the upper part of my bodie, being that too much or too less
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splikz
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Posted : Aug 5, 2013 17:43
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a certain artist released a free remix of a track called "little phatty".
which is more of the same minimalistic boredom.
he probably thinks that making a phat track out of moog sounds is enough. lol
the minimalistic techno influenced psy lacks melody and dreamy elements. people get bored.
people are taking the 'less is more' concept into a ridiculous level.
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Padmapani
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Posted : Aug 6, 2013 05:24
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On 2013-08-05 17:43, splikz wrote:
people are taking the 'less is more' concept into a ridiculous level.
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not at all, at least for the most part. if you compare most of today's music to late (around 99) goa or early fullon, it's less minimalistic than it was back then. i myself am more of a fan of maximal 97 style goa, but the music i'm talking about wasn't like that at all.
but it had what most of the psy from nowadays is missing: atmosphere. take logic bomb's third revelation, it has such a lighthearted outer space vibe to it; or take silicon sound's memento for a similar futuristic landscape or tarsis - atomic children (remix) with it's sinister character evoking a vision of a bonfire in a clearing surrounded by a forest filled with warped creatures (for me at least  ).
few artists (outside newschool goa) do such a thing for me. most of it sounds just like bland dance music with no atmosphere or vision behind it.
the most "minimal" thing that's become fashionable lately is the addition of those minimal techno glitchy fx to psy tracks. they're already overused, and i've even had friends, who usually listen to minimal techno and whom i've taken to a psy party, say that they hated it ("if i want to listen to minimal, i'll go to a minimal party, now i'm at a psy party so now i want something different: psytrance") |
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splikz
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Posted : Aug 7, 2013 23:02
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early goa was simple. I call it simple, not minimal.
minimal.. to me, is when people could add more, but they choose to add less.
trance evolved into a layered genre, with lots of ambiance. then it went back.
there's too much techno and some electro house influences, because producers wish to blend with other markets. and even release on other genre labels.
producers that used to make good progressive some years ago. I don't believe they like their new minimalistic empty sounds.. as much as the old stuff.
are people making music, as they feel it should be?
or are people making music , as they think it should be?
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Posted : Aug 8, 2013 20:11
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