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11 pages on how it become shit ,now what would you innovate?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 4, 2013 02:56
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bukboy
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Posted : Jul 5, 2013 22:55
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I think you should be able to get emotionally involved in music. Make sure it has atmosphere. Some kind of story with palpable changes that conserve the integrity of the atmosphere.
To echo an earlier statement. There is no content in tracks. No leading of expectations. No frustration. Basically no composition.
The tracks I hear are either buzzing with incoherence or failing to have anything to put together.
But I'm like a broken record. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 01:58
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makus
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 06:29
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at 0:40 dude take out both sounds with hpf, not just 303, but come back with only 303. because now the pad sound.. it is just too ends. (whatever that means)
Track is cool. The final part must be killer. Sure it works.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 06:48
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On 2013-07-06 06:29, makus wrote:
at 0:40 dude take out both sounds with hpf, not just 303, but come back with only 303. because now the pad sound.. it is just too ends. (whatever that means)
Track is cool. The final part must be killer. Sure it works.
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There is no 303 at 0:40 intro and bass is the Minitaur, all sounds.
Don't understand what you mean in general though?
Cheers 
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 14:07
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 16:39
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This is how the whole thing started. I find experimenting with things in the studio to change the way I write music.
For this instance I wanted to check check stability of the Moog Minitaur with CV/Gate control and no MIDI.
So I sent clock to my x0xb0x, dialed a sequence on its analog sequencer and sequenced the Moog Minitaur with it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151351654601603
Getting away from the normal way one works, helps change things up a little.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 16:42
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@Nectarios: that track is very cool!
Let's think: there's a lot of people saying that most releases sound the same because they follow the same patterns, use the same kind of sounds, composed in very similar ways. Some go to the extent of saying that in the beggining (let's say goa days) every artist was contributing his own vision and then those primordial burst of novelty got coppied to the extent of turning into a formula. Nowadays, we have a hard time getting away from that very formula - because that's what the public, party people included, are expecting and that's the identity of the genre.
Ok, fair enough. But you can't complain about the first while keeping your faith on the second. I think "trance" is a much more broad a term then simply 4 on 4, let alone the KBBB pattern. It's got something to do with fast and repetitive rythm, a sence of hypnosis, something that grows and gets released. It's quite universal and not only the stapple of Electronic Music to begin with. It's got to do with our roots, everywhere in the globe there's an old Shaman banging a drum to oblivion...
There's obviously room for fresh ideas while still getting a psychedelic feel and being able to get the public into a "trance" state. The thing is this has been around for long. That's what makes some gear legendary, because it's made some of our old favourite tunes possible: something like the 303. Ok, my point here is that people were doing their best with the tools available and, in a way, it was easy because it was uncharted territory, a new soundtrack for a new scene. So those composing back then felt total freedom and they knew they had a public that would welcome their own take on it.
The point I'm trying to make here is quite simple: there's nostalgia, we've grown to like the sounds of old, even the machines of old and crave for that particular sound. Even when we're talking some cheap plug-in like Quadrafuzz, many people crave for the sounds they're familiar with. Many start by trying to reproduce the stuff they like, and it's fine, but shouldn't be the main goal. There's got to be someone pushing for our own voice, our own take, our creative freedom. Even labels (yes, pun intended here XD).
So... yes dubstep artists have used different timbres for Bass, made it central to their compositions, sub+lead distorted sounds playing melodies and what not. And we have people here suggesting: that's their thing, so let's just do our thing which is the KBBB sacred pattern. We may just as well tattoo it on our foreheads. What's wrong with exploring timbres and textures and new patterns and why is it a threat to the "trance" or "psychedelic" identity? To think outside the box? Really? To defy conventions? Pre-established ideas and concepts? Are we getting old? Like grey beard dudes playing their old goa tracks to grand childdren while claiming that was the best music ever while they zap for new stuff on their ipads? Is that what this is about? (ok, so this part was meant to be a bit funny and ironic  )...
If I had a label, I'd run a contest for new fresh composition ideas and I said Bass here because I think it's the most obvious obsession in our scene. Innovation, I think, comes from questioning what we take for granted. Rant over |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 16:53
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For sure. I am not against the KbBB pattern. I am all for it actually, the tunes I have done after the one I just posted, have the classic single saw 16th bassline as well. Why I use it? Because even though I have heard it millions of times, I still love it.
So some people will say it sucks, its not Goa, been done to death, blah blah blah...I don't care.
Psy-trance is much more than that. You can use the same ol bassline and still do something different. Just listen to an Ajja track and listen to a Skazi track, then a Manmademan track...etc..etc. They are so different, even though they use the same bassline topology.
I do not think there is anything "wrong" with psytrance, not in the sense that LOUD clip implies and the myriads of people that commented on it.
Its not the bassline that defines whether a genre lacks innovation, its the music in general.
We seem to forget (my self included) that just because we've been listening to this music for almost 20 years, that there are not new people that have just discovered the 16th bassline (for example) and are freshly impressed by it and simply can't get enough of it.
Dunno what to say really, I love psy-trance. Yes there are very few new tunes that I love, but that is a general attribute to all genres, simply because there are so many people making music nowdays. You just have to dig deeper to find what you are looking for and a lot of people would rather bitch and moan, whilst some people just dig and find what they like and party like there's no tomorrow.
This "open minded" society tends to become a fascist state...people that don't like the music from famous acts, are almost trying to force their views on how much the genre sucks, to the few people that find whatever tunes they like.
Instead of kindly fucking off, they keep on bitching and moaning. Oh well, live and let live
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 17:41
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I'm not against anything!
Don't get me wrong: I'm not joining the Loud's crowd....
All I meant was to give some fuel for thoughts in a constructive way. There's got to be some value when you get talented musicians thinking about the "core" elements of their music along with some community agreement that it might be cool to try and test out new stuff... |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 17:51
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I did not say you were against it.
Anything goes, its good for people to do whatever comes to mind. Some will simply do what they've done before for their own reasons, others will try something different.
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splikz
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 20:59
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is there a real need to innovate?
can't people keep doing good music with the tools they already have?
most atemps to try something new do not work very well. people get lost in the process... follow the same old patterns... kbBB
a piano has the same keys every time.. but people keep creating good melodies and music pieces.
sometimes producers become too technical. and the result will be a less emotional track.
with technique, it's possible to produce endless tracks. but most certainly most of them won't be special. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 21:31
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 22:18
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On 2013-07-06 20:59, splikz wrote:
is there a real need to innovate?
can't people keep doing good music with the tools they already have?
most atemps to try something new do not work very well. people get lost in the process... follow the same old patterns... kbBB
a piano has the same keys every time.. but people keep creating good melodies and music pieces.
sometimes producers become too technical. and the result will be a less emotional track.
with technique, it's possible to produce endless tracks. but most certainly most of them won't be special.
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yes, same tools. goa was an effort to try something new.
people keep doing great music with their tools. it's not the tools, it's the person using them.
does technique sacrifice emotion like you say? does innovation result in bad music?
come on, are you serious?
p.s - some people do get lost in the process. they feel damn well about it! it's cool with all the knobs and flashing lights
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splikz
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Posted : Jul 6, 2013 22:41
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do LOUD really like the tracks they are making now? they don't seam very happy in their live performance video......
it seams like some producers keep farting tracks.. just because they can. and even though some tracks are not that special.., they are released, just because producers have a name/status. and that means profit basically.
any by technique.. I mean: good level of production.
some people are delivering well produced tracks with content in it. while others are delivering well produced tracks with not much interesting musical content in them. |
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