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11 pages on how it become shit ,now what would you innovate?
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jekvan
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Posted : Jul 1, 2013 19:54:04
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Ok,so all I gathered from the old topic was stuff that Ive heard from people that are party goers,not producers.
11 pages of old is gold,melodies,GOA!!small parties are better then big ,and all that.Yes ,it is all known and it is far from what I've expected from people who are producers of music to talk about.
Do you guys have specific ideas - AS PRODUCERS - how music can be better , more intricate,more innovating ? Ideas that have been circulating your minds lately ?
  From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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psyraal
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Posted : Jul 1, 2013 20:10
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Xsze
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Posted : Jul 1, 2013 21:32
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On 2013-07-01 20:10, psyraal wrote:
do not COPY/PASTE
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Actually this, was thinking a lot about this subject and it's genre already, it have recognizable sounds and formulas, everyone is taking their best shot to make something personal out of already regulated genre and known tools for the job, so just don't copy what is already done and it should be enough for evolution sake 
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demoniac
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Posted : Jul 1, 2013 21:32
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Jul 1, 2013 23:56
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Do not think about the dancefloor when making music. I mean, think about the music´s soul, but do not mind with "dancing like there´s no tomorrow" dancefloor.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 00:11
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Nice topic.
If you think about it: most literature is about the same themes as well. We can only add to the equation our own view of things. And possibly expect others to build upon that. This genre is no one's work in particular, but the result of a community of people that have been developing it over the years. We're all connected and we all get inspired by others. You can grasp this easily with the internet: instead of regular revolutions in art, you have a steady, fast paced community developing new forms and shapes together, growing with each other. The fact that art historians have focused more on individuals only speaks of where they come from, their own mindset - and possibly our culture's dna as well.
Ok, on a more pragmatic approach to this topic, I'd say there's room for innovation in structure, breaks, builds and what not, it would be fun to see a lot of people trying to get away from the generic psy bass sound instead of obsessing to get it just perfect. When something gets to rigid, you may as well just break it, no?
"easy to say, not easy to do..."
but the fact of the matter is that psytrance makes a lot of sense as it is and that it's been evolving through the years a lot, in a much more diversed scope now that it's gone global - after the years of conception in goa. and we still can get a wow moment when listening to some tracks.
so if you get bored of something or feel that the whole genre has become to rigid, just do it in some wild and free way. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 01:01
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avoid formulas ,cheese ect..
if you are after mainstream ect make more popular genre of music.. no need to turn it into a comercial product with all the cliche ..
well that just personal but that reasons lot people i know got bored...
and get your influence from psychedelic music..i think it s the real problem...not david ghetta or swedish house mafia..
could be the problem some producers of today are young with poor musical culture maybe..so influence come from crappy stuff .. dunno..could be true or totally bullshit.. |
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 01:18
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i think the problem about psytrance is not lack of inovation, its more about lack of content/message on the tracks...
i ear a lot of psytrance this days, that simply doesnt have any kind of implicit message on it, the people who made tracks are more worried in make them work in dancefloors and because of that, they even dont try to make synths speak (wich is in most case where the strong ID and character from music cames out)
so basicly most people end up wanting to learn certain tecniques fast, emulating sucessfull artists with the purpose of perfoming in events, but then all the concept about making music, expressing your self to someone under a certain way is missed...
whats the point of grab a tone of re-used elements use the same foking bassline wich is allready featured in dozens of youtube tutorials??
i am not saying necessarly that the problem of psytrance is its formula, i would say that the problem is that most people dont care about expressing them selfs under music, they just pretend to do something that will sound in a certain way that latter will help them to reach their goal: perform in partys
there is no longer the prior idea about just grab a foking tool, make something for fun, and then let people enjoy it...
there isnt that any longer, you can actually see that people becomed more interested in learn fast, in be able to reach a certain level of production just because they want partys...
and they want partys because they think it will give them happyness, fame, money and fill whatever they dreams are...
thats SAD, honestly, everytime i see people without personality and inteligence just seeking atention in the most cheap way possible on the soundcloud...
in the so called "look at me, look at me," behavior its when i get really depressed about what being an electronic music is...
there isnt simply intentions of grabbing a synth, create or design an acidic patch and try to make something and then evolve into possible music...
there isnt that anymore...
people start allready projects... "music" without nothing inside, they save patterns with drums and sliced elements, and they start playing blocks and trhowing rubish non logical elements to tracks, filling a certain stereotipical re-used style and calling that a new track
but in the end, they really should wonder, what foking time will people wast earing something that was crafted without major effort? that really didnt had input or knoledge or even feeling from an artist??
is that an artistical expression??
or is just something that is supose to sound into a certain rules and then its a matter of randomic elements that are generic and absolutly boring of ear again...
Psytrance in the 90s was amazing because every element in the music was crafted and carefully written because they had to...
today with the vsti´s, people becomed sleazy , the vsti come from factory with thousands of cheassy presets oriented for comercial and using famous sounds and that changed the most scenes in EDM, not only psytrance
the fact is, today the diference between House/trance and techno is much reduced than it was in the 90s
where i could ear guys like Carl Craig (69) and instantly notice about his mecanical detroit acidic techno, and enjoy earing each part of the sound, each small foking detail that he used in a certain corner before the breaks...
what is today psytrance??? blocks, foking blocks of nothing, people making stuff, people without much creativity i must say, its obvious that there are exceptions and there is still guys releasing true great music, but in most cases its boring (i dont need to ear again) music...
and its a pitty, because there is so much to do, so much elements to create, psytrance is particulary reach in terms of concept, its not that "thight" to a formula as much as people think
its not written anywhere that psytrance needs to be 145 bpm, or that to make Hard psytrance you need to use more than 150 bpm...
this style can be amazing if amazing producers input a lot of effor on each track, the problem is that most of producers arent that great, and definitly people need to start looking more into detail to their sounds...
instead of making a track in 2 or 3 days, take a mont on it, waste a week only in writting midi, waste another week only in messing patches, and then trying to make comibations... if you persiste and if your creative you will end up with a much more valuable product, and even if people dont buy it, they will at least listen with pleasure...
thats what i think |
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makus
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 01:55
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mix genres. express yourself. don't listen to music too much - create new. play instruments. quantize rarely
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dimitrilentryptamine
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 02:36
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UPLIFTING IS THE KEY TO SOUL'S UPLIFTING! |
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 04:08
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Just enjoy the ride (production)...
dont have genres in your mind, keep a psy vibe in your music...there is only good music not good genres, even this is prog, fullon, dark, psytech, ambient, dub etc...
...into the wild.... |
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Agorit
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 04:57
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I do not care how the scene is. there will always be opportunists and those who are serious. but in the end, who am I to judge?
Just believe in hard work. this can this can make our music better.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 07:03
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positive feedback loop detected |
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 09:17
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Just make music you actually want to make. Screw worrying about labels, gigs or being popular. I'd actually like to hear some modern psy trance made with passion and for the mind.
Listen to early Hallucinogen, you don't need heavy bass kicks or rumbling bass lines.
It's been ages since I've heard a good modern track made for the mind in this genre.
There's more passion in prog house music nowadays than in prog psychedelic trance IMO. Prog hours is more of a trip as well, Guy J/Robert Babicz/Henry Saiz IMO. Turn of the century psy prog & minimal is a billion times more inspiring than anything that Iono/Blue Tunes/Tesseract etc. have put out.
Cuntus Maximus. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 2, 2013 15:35
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that psytrance that should inspire techno and house producer..not opposite ,commercial product made to make cash ect..
the genre have become too muhc influenced by other style loosing is own soul..
but it s just general..there is still plenty of good psy when looking carrefully
spend time making music and not sound design could be a good advice...
today producers are more sound designer than musician.. good soud design to overcome poor musician skill..people get impressed by that lead or that bass..but often not for a musical reason like in the past |
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