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Saf
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 08:59
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It's pretty lame of you to call someone's music terrible.
I listened to his music and it was definitely not terrible.
You would have to be making at least 1994 tracker rave music composed of complete dissonance in order for me to use the word terrible.
Anyway, your opinion on samples or anything else carries no weight with me, why should it? |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 09:13
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first .. thanks for the pack jay : )
second .. dija ,, get ur head out of ur ass and give us a lill snippet of ur very original no samples used music ..
third .. capn kirk .. good stuff m8 .. keep rocking
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 13:06
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I've heard Prometheus and Simon Posford are seriously thinking about dija statements and really close to giving up.
 My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them. |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 18:36
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Sigh...every one of you has missed the point. I don't say don't use samples ever. Theres no way around samples.
I say don't use them when its something you could synth yourself SUCH AS THIS PACK.
I highly doubt you'd ever see Simon downloading a generic pack of fx like this. I almost guarantee he synths everything thats synthable.
If you think Kirks non coherent music is halfway decent then you don't deserve to hear my music. I post in the new tracks section periodically. |
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felon-collie
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 01:53
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thanks
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Saf
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 02:15
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On 2007-04-26 18:36, dija wrote:
Sigh...every one of you has missed the point. I don't say don't use samples ever. Theres no way around samples.
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You basically said it's only ok to use samples whenever you who is apparently the master of music rules says it's ok.
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I say don't use them when its something you could synth yourself SUCH AS THIS PACK.
I highly doubt you'd ever see Simon downloading a generic pack of fx like this. I almost guarantee he synths everything thats synthable.
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Someone in fact just proved that Simon Posford does buy generic packs of fx just like this and uses them in Sphongle on this very forum yesterday.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/107864/forum/2/start/15
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If you think Kirks non coherent music is halfway decent then you don't deserve to hear my music. I post in the new tracks section periodically.
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I'm past wanting to hear your music at this point. All I know is that your sort of complaining and elitist bullshit makes people who are learning to make music feel bad about their own music because quite frankly every one can't start out making all the sounds they want. Then they read your head up your ass posts and feel probably worse about their accomplishments, instead of good about how far along they are in their journey of making music. |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 04:18
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Yeah I have my head up my ass because I promote putting effort into peoples music.
If in fact the sounds from the latest shpongle album are pure loops then I lose a lot of respect. Theres some great songs on the album either way but much of my respect is lost if thats the case. At least its packed full of harmony.
I know for fact he uses some samples off the spiritual voices cd which theres nothing wrong with that. Who can afford to fly to some far off country to get samples. Also, who can create spiritual voice samples themselves? As far as guitar samples, if he had each note sampled single and arranged all of the notes himself then theres no foul there. Theres really nothing wrong with taking drum samples from vinyl either as long as they are individually sliced and completely rearranged.
Your perception is shallow for believing that it is never ok to use a sample even if it is a piano sampled at the highest quality. Meaning each note and not loops.
It's annoying to see people throwing together music using mostly samples chopping them up and throwing a million fx on them and calling themselves musicians. Forgetting that melody or harmony even exists.
It's no elitist bullshit. If you are serious about your music then put in the fucking effort. You guys get so defensive so it must be true that all you can do is steal samples from others and make a piece of garbage comprised of kick drum, bass, and random effects. Get with the program and lets start to move music out of this rut that its in. I'm not saying to stop your crazy fx use but focus on what makes music music.
Definition of music from wikipedia
Music is an art form that involves organized sounds and silence. It is expressed in terms of pitch (which includes melody and harmony), rhythm (which includes tempo and meter), and the quality of sound (which includes timbre, articulation, dynamics, and texture).
The only aspects I hear here most of the time here are rythm (very little) and the texture of your fx sounds.
This isn't a game. Being a great musician takes extreme dedication, intelligence, and the desire to learn and stand apart from the crowd. Unfortunately I don't see that too often here on isra. It's a bunch of kids with a DAW and a hard drive full of vst effects and samples. I got news thats no musician. Perhaps you guys just create music out of boredom, but there are those of us out there that want to go beyond that. Maybe you guys don't think of music as something serious. To me it is serious in the aspect that a musicians job is to dedicate his life to it and strive to surpass all that has come before him/her. I'm not calling myself a musician here either but I am at least striving towards that goal. You guys just start throwing a bunch of sound into modulators throw it on top of a simple kick/bass and your happy with that. That is the reason why psychedelic dance music is going down hill. There is no desire to do better.
So for those of you as described in this post YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT IT. If you make music purely out of boredom then theres nothing to feel bad about. When you promote and release music that simply is not music it is an insult to those of us who are putting in the maximum effort to obtain as much knowledge as possible and create something that is unique and on the scale of greatness. |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 04:45
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 04:53
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After listening to that spectrasonics sample simon did really copy that far too much in the DMT song. Major respect lost. I thought the arrangement was done by him but in fact he used them in the order the sample song did. |
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Saf
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 05:01
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You don't seem to understand this forum is supposed to be for helping people not critisizing people and making them feel bad. Not for piping up at every chance to tell people they are lame for this and that.
It seriously puts me in a bad mood to have to read critizizing elitist bullshit comments on how things should be done and how people are lame or bad musicians if they do this or that.
Dija I understand you want to promote creativity and not useless copy paste boring music, but doing so by piping up calling people lame and telling them their music is terrible is stupid and you can take your mp3s and shove them up your ass.
Therefore I'm not going to subject myself to something that puts me in a bad vibe anymore, good bye Istratance, maybe I will come back in a few months and see if the vibe is different. |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 05:07
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Sorry for not being a soft spoken person. Sorry for being realistic. The song I listened to was garbage. It holds absolutely no musical value. The only value it has is to show what you don't want to do.
I just tell the truth, and express my opinion in a short direct concise manner. I guess I should start lying. I suppose nobody is ever going to listen to what I have to say and I'll be sifting through thousands of releases for 1 gem for the rest of my life. |
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FGK108
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 05:43
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Hey man chill out! Dont have to apologise everything away there is a good reason you say what you do and so maybe you just need to be carefull not to get to personal/worked up about it.
imho you could learn something from Kirk's music even if you don't like it. I really respect what you have made though the melodies take me on real journeys but maybe a bit of an edge would be good? sometimes chopping it up a bit is cool. What about sampling your own original stuff and re-working that?
Anyway I like what you have made I think it has more integrity than this star trek music but I still think the dark side is missing.
And I don't have such guts to upload my music yet even in the face of such critisism so big up for facing the challenge!
why does kirk have to use rocks? dont he have a laser pistol?
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 05:52
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Thanks
I'm still trying to figure out what style I want to go with and I could definitely use some more sound design in my music. I tend to focus on the writing and the production last and usually I never get to the last part. |
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FGK108
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 06:12
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I am going to sleep.
Maybe this topic is also sleepy now?
It is lost from where it started maybe we need an ultimate showdown topic to be started around this issue, any Idea's?
I think we can all be supermen dija don't worry all will come in time. |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 27, 2007 06:52
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The official isratrance rules of sample usage thread. By dija |
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