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10 timeless production tips.
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Dec 20, 2010 22:08
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I dont even know what compressors do, if its flattening sound i just use density x_x *face slap*
I love these tips they are true indeed. i think i'm gonna have to hang more at "The mother of all music theory" thread.
Fine advices, i want everyone of you to go by them.
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 00:24
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 00:25
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10. Slim down your studio.
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anyone want virus & nord? i stay with my korgs!! NOT!
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dont add more gear before you know everything on what you allready have
after all most synths have same parametrs learn a good one like albino or sylenth and you can deal with anything and variety is good even single saw osc with simple LP filter sounds SO different from one synth to another.. and offcourse the more you process the more it gets a 'color' of the machine you work with.
anyhow i use about 2-3 hardware synths and 2-3 vst per track and i cant find any room to add more to that (since new monitors i cant load tons of layers is it good or bad i cant tell i kinda liked the mayhem i could do on the tannoy but production is defiantly up a notch)
anywayz to the topic - great advices always good to have reminders like that 
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On 2010-12-20 17:57, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2010-12-20 15:40, A.Rosengren wrote:
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On 2010-12-20 12:49, dj chichke wrote:
i don't so agree with point 1. not to use copmpressors and eq's it's like you tell me not to mix my channels. about getting rid of the tracks that are not important. it's true that you will have more space at your mix but in fullon and dark you need to add more and more tracks if you want to rock the dancefloor.
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He's not telling you to not use it, he is pointing out that you should use it moderatly (which means not killing the "natural" dynamics of a sound), at least that's how I interpret the sentence.
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Also, if you can make a good mix without using shitloads of EQ and compression and FX, it means your sound sources are really good to begin with - and this is THE best way to get a good-sounding track: use good sounds.
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(did anyone said 'like' button is needed?)
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Padmapani
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 00:44
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On 2010-12-20 20:52, danfoss wrote:
I used to work without compressors.. I almost never use them.
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same here. i only use compression if i can't control loudness of some track by other means (going back to the synth and teaking some knobs or a transient designer most often gives me a much better result here) or if i'm after a specific loudness curve for percussion like hihats.
i also don't get why everyone has to compress their kick and bass. i've always found them to sound fuller and better without compression. as a colouring effect i have found some overdrive or distortion to be more effetive than a colouring compressor...
i'm guilty of over-eq'ing though. i have at least one eq on each track and often with complex patterns and quite agressive cutting. as i like complex arrangements with lots of layers i often see no other way to get a decently clean mix.
still i can wholeheartly agree with all points from 2. to 10. |
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danfoss
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 00:59
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imo eq`ing can`t be avoid, but compressors can be if you know how to work without them..
I like to make quality eq on each sound in the track, all other parameters I like to adjust on synth, besides reveerb and delay. Like to keep it simple. It is easier to make a quality mix.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 01:21
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i rarely use compression for this too ,to control volume cause it s almost the oposite problem we have to deal with.it s avoiding getting a robotic sound cause everyhting is right where it should be and at the volume it should be and that sux for a natural feel. reaching for a compressor to controle volume like for a real muscian is not much needed in electronic music imo but compressor have a lot more use and abuse i should say . if you re a beginner give a try to waves R-comp it sound and react a lot like a hardware comp and there is not much setting, it s really good plug to learn to hear and use compression and the sound is convaicing that make it even better cause you can really hear what you re doing while tweaking it ,when it make a source sound better you cleary hear it . |
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orgytime
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 02:06
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On 2010-12-20 20:46, Trevon wrote:
thesedays everyone adds a compressor to e-v-e-r-y single chain of the track...... and sometimes it's not needed at all.
compressors are not miracle sound makers.. 
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do you?
i think this is a bad habit by fresh producers who wants to sound pro... hear lot of that overcompressed music on soundcloud... it also can be the bad masteringjob, i dont know.
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Padmapani
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 04:06
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On 2010-12-21 01:21, PoM wrote:
reaching for a compressor to controle volume like for a real muscian is not much needed in electronic music imo
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surely it's not needed nearly as often in electronic music, but when you have some killaaargh sound modulated by multiple lfo's and the resonance turned way up (turning it down kills the magic of the sound), it's bound to fluctuate in volume. i have yet to find a better solution than compression plus eq'ing out the ringing frequencies that emerge every now and then.
@orgytime
it's probably the bad "mastering" job in most cases. everyone wants their tracks to sound as loud as commercial tracks and just sticks a limiter on the master bus. i do that myself when i've finished a track and think that i'm not overcompressing, but anyone with some experience in mastering would probably facepalm  |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 04:41
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I love compressors to sidechain all what's possilbe crossover,atleast at this time.Apart of this I use them only when the channel(peaks) really needs it,so very rarely sometimes when drumery is too busy it helps me,or saves me time maybe,and I use it always when I work on voice recordings.I really like when voices are interestingly designed.
But when it comes to sidechain sth I like to play with compressors.
..I think less tracks is indeed not bad.As I started to read this forum I had the false idea of more tracks must be more deepness or complexity.I think about it now totaly different.
I saw somewhere a picture with 150 tracks in a psytrance project,l I was impressed then and now I think it must sound like.... well it would be intersting to hear it but there must be too many compromises with same frequencies in panorama.
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 06:39
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Please don't turn this thread into another "i hate compressed music" one, we have plenty. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 21, 2010 16:02
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On 2010-12-21 04:06, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2010-12-21 01:21, PoM wrote:
reaching for a compressor to controle volume like for a real muscian is not much needed in electronic music imo
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surely it's not needed nearly as often in electronic music, but when you have some killaaargh sound modulated by multiple lfo's and the resonance turned way up (turning it down kills the magic of the sound), it's bound to fluctuate in volume. i have yet to find a better solution than compression plus eq'ing out the ringing frequencies that emerge every now and then.
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yes sure man it can be very usefull ,from the arrangement and synthesis i try to avoid these problems but compression can help for sure sometimes |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Dec 22, 2010 05:34
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some of the best advice i've heard was this: instead of effects let the synths do the work.
may not apply to forest, but it sure does make since. |
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makus
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Posted : Dec 22, 2010 09:10
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i use quite lots of compressors in my psytrance tracks. actually i use a compressor everywhere, if it should be there.
it is not a copmpressor who is kiling dynamics and makes overcompressed sound. it is you who make those things. learning compression and compressors, comparing the devices and results over time help avoiding dynamic problems.
my sounds are often very wide, both in frequency range and in volume levels. not using basic mixing methods like panning, equing and compressing would be a total fail for me (i tried, didn't like, so im sticking to my favourite tools).
as to 'less is more' rule - that's so true, and i personally have problems with that, as i often put tooo many sounds at once. working on it though
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 05:52
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as to 'less is more' rule - that's so true, and i personally have problems with that, as i often put tooo many sounds at once. working on it though
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Happens to me too, I think that is a very big key to production in general. The ability to let a few sounds speak fully without overcrowding the mix, and at the same time not to have too little either...
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supergroover
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Posted : Dec 24, 2010 10:28
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On 2010-12-24 05:52, Upavas wrote:
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as to 'less is more' rule - that's so true, and i personally have problems with that, as i often put tooo many sounds at once. working on it though
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Happens to me too, I think that is a very big key to production in general. The ability to let a few sounds speak fully without overcrowding the mix, and at the same time not to have too little either...
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+1 soundcloud.com/supergroover |
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