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0 dB Kick, pros and cons.
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Partzi Floch
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 19:26:08
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I've heard lately of some well known psy artist who starts projects with kick at 0 db.
Can anyone inlight me with why one might want to do that ? I know 0 dB in the digital domain is actually -18 (more or less) dB in the analog domain so there's plenty of headroom even if you're in the reds (inside your DAW) but shouldn't this headroom better left to the mastering ppl ? |
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 19:59
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I can't see this being true, but I only have a vague idea of digital vs. analog metering and can't seem to find reliable info.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 20:38
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as long as you turn the master fader down i guess there is no problem (except maybe with some plugins ), 32 bit float sequencer have more than 100 db of headroom . boosting + 100 db on a track fader and - 100 db on the master is excalty the same as if no gain were added if i m right,right now i don t see any point of using your kick at zero except if you like cliping or use a limiter on the master and work at the volume of a released track maybe ... |
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makus
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 21:50
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On 2008-12-25 19:26:08, Partzi Floch wrote:
I've heard lately of some well known psy artist who starts projects with kick at 0 db.
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dp they use cubase? =)
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Partzi Floch
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 21:57
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On 2008-12-25 21:50, makus wrote:
dp they use cubase? =)
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Yeah. Said he doesn't care for the red clipping LED as cubase is very "forgiving" software and if he can't hear distortion then there isn't any. |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 22:06
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I never go at +-0db, its just a rule. you do not cross the 0+-db or youre doomed!
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makus
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 22:32
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On 2008-12-25 21:57, Partzi Floch wrote:
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On 2008-12-25 21:50, makus wrote:
dp they use cubase? =)
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Yeah. Said he doesn't care for the red clipping LED as cubase is very "forgiving" software and if he can't hear distortion then there isn't any.
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Right. This all started, I guess, with clip mastering technique. Well, if it works, why not clip it on the mixing stage then.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 23:03
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On 2008-12-25 21:57, Partzi Floch wrote:
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On 2008-12-25 21:50, makus wrote:
dp they use cubase? =)
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Yeah. Said he doesn't care for the red clipping LED as cubase is very "forgiving" software and if he can't hear distortion then there isn't any.
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but what is the point of doing it? some think their sequencer sound better neer zero db? it can be only placebo effect and if it s for cliping no need to start with a kick at zero db to do cliping ,all this give you no avantage to make something sound better , or i can t see it |
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makus
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 23:18
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Seamoon
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 23:31
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that's not true.
+4dBu (analog) is -18dBfs (digital), so if you put your kicks on 0dBfs in your DAW you will be way too loud on an analog console.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 25, 2008 23:40
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Zoopy
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 01:16
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Does lowering the master fader do anything? I mean, if it's clipping before it hits the master fader it doesn't matter right? |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 02:32
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clip in any stage and then lower later the volume is quite bad , always lower the volume earlier in the chain before the (or on the) process where it clips.
i like the audio sample of the kick on -5db , that leave space for more eq or warmth plugins , never pass the 0db , then lower the channel in the mix www.sattelbattle.com
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makus
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 10:15
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Medea
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Posted : Dec 26, 2008 10:51
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i think this well know artist meant that the kick sample can be up to 0dB, but i think the kick track level is much lower. i hope so 
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